Help for Haiti, who is giving???

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As the tragedy in Haiti unfolds the US has stepped up, as we always do in such a crisis, with a promise of $100,000,000 in aid. Millions more will pour in from the private sector. Such is the generous caring spirit of our great nation. I have to wonder, and perhaps someone here has a link or source, about just how much other nations of the world are contributing.

China, India, Russia, Japan, Iran and Israel come to mind. How about the European Union, France, England, Spain, Italy et al.??? What sort of aid, dollars and boots on the ground, is the rest of the world contributing. I would really like to know but am guessing the facts will be predictably depressing.

Say what you will about Haiti and how they got where they are. Blame anyone you like as Rush and Robertson are so quick to do, but earthquakes are indiscriminate killers. They strike without warning with a power that has to be seen to be believed. For the record I have experienced several in Southern California and a massive quake in Turkey back in 1970. Trust me, ground zero is no place you ever want to be.
 
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America will give,by far,the most,and be condemed for it.Some people hate the USA[even some who live here]:so be it.Keep on smilin'.
 
You're 95% right. We spend our country's blood and tax dollars going around the world fighting radical islam, which benifits every country who isn't a member of that death cult. and then we cover all the humanitarian stuff, too.
But what did Rush Limbaugh do? He just pointed out how fast O'Carter...I mean Obama reacted to this as compared to Islamic Nazi's trying to blow up U.S. citizens on a commercial airliner. National security.. big deal. But someone in ANOTHER country is suffering, probably because we're responsible in some twisted way, and O'whatisname is there in a second. Give him five minutes and Obama will apologize for the earthquake.
Pat Robertson is an idiot but he's pretty irrelevant. Don't badmouth Limbaugh for telling the truth about this guy who some people refer to as president.
 
:) Heard on Fox News that China gave 1M and the UK gave
10M. There were others but the USA was far ahead of any body else. Don
 
why cant we take care of us first. jackson hostpital laid off thousands of long time employees but sent a plane full of supplys and doctors I thought they were broke. lets take care of the unemployed americans and hungry children here first I guess it is easer to help others first than help ourselves
 
cowboy117 said:
America will give,by far,the most,and be condemed for it.....
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sad, but very true

the ingrateful whiners will always complain that we never do enough...for that reason alone i refuse to give a dime over what the gubment has already taken from me to give to the rest of the ingrateful world.
 
I have no problem with us stepping up to the plate and providing supplies and food as well as rescue resources. We have the expertise to take the lead and run the relief and rebuilding operation.

What I do have a problem with is sending them money. Haiti has been known as the most corrupt spot in the western hemisphere for several generations. Mentioned on the news the other night was the fact that more than 80% (thats right 80) of Haiti's GNP comes from foreign aid. This is a society that is geared to live off other's money, sending more money won't fix anything.

The lack of a functioning government also leads to poor emergency response and has also resulted in a total lack of building codes. There are in place a set of "International" building codes that help reduce this type of damage, but there must be a functioning government in place that will both require them and enforce them.

I hope Haiti gets rebuilt and becomes a functional country, but any cash sent there will only end up lining the pockets of the corrupt.
 
Haiti is quite possibly the most corrupt nation in the world. Anything sent should be distributed only to those in need. Give it to the criminals (various public officials) there and they will only sell it to enrich themselves. There are people suffering there who need help. There will always be people there who need help because for the last 300 years one corrupt dictator has replaced another. Nothing good will happen to these folks until this is fixed. I bet they wish they had never run the French off. If they ever got an honest government they could rake in the tourism cash like the rest of the island nations in the area. I'd go fishing there if they cleaned it up some. I see another influx of boat people in the future.
 
I agree about the corruption but you can send money directly to relief efforts run by the US...such as the red cross or salavation army. For me, politics go out the window when devastated children are in need of food water and shelter.....you only have to turn on your tap to know how truly lucky we are...
 
The church I attend supports a clinic down there-the physician who runs it was here just a week or so. I agree that sending money only to established and reputable relief agencies is the only way to contribute.
 
Please put your dissatisfaction with our current administration aside and send a few dollars to the Red Cross for relief for these poor people. Little children will die of starvation and disease without our help.

It's the right thing to do.

Frank Knox was Navy Secretary during WWII and is reputed to have said that when he died, the Good Lord wouldn't give a damn that he had been Secretary of the Navy, and that he expected judgmment based upon how he treated his fellow man.

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I'm an American taxpayer. There's my contribution. Because for some reason we'll make it our responsibility to rebuild this third world toilet that has absolutely nothing to offer us in return.
 
MTS Cop said:
I'm an American taxpayer. There's my contribution. Because for some reason we'll make it our responsibility to rebuild this third world toilet that has absolutely nothing to offer us in return.
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I must agree. This place looks like a Caribbean Somalia to me. If we rebuild this SH for them I'm gonna puke. There's people living on the streets here under much the same conditions, only it's cold as well. Charity begins at home. Save us from the "givers".
 
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We borrowed $100 million and sent it to them. If that is not enough, we will borrow some more and send it. We'll tax the rich to pay for it without regard for whether those whose money is spent agree with its use. Being charitable with someone else's money is like picking someone's pocket and putting the loot in the Salvation Army pot. The bell-ringer thanks you (Mr. Obama) for your (his) generosity and the victim (tax-payer) doesn't even yet know he made the contribution. Then we'll send troops to do what troops are not meant to do.

Absent all of this government larceny, there would probably have been an outpouring of financial support from individuals and volunteer relief workers who take time off work to go help.
 
Now the real challenge will be getting these poor souls declared refuges fast enough to relocate them to the States, in time for them to be Fast Tracked to US citizenship, so ACORN can register them as voters and they can show the appropriate allegiance and gratitude by voting for whom they are told in the next election. By selectively relocating these individuals we might even be able to swing the voter majority in some borderline districts.

Cynicism aside, the only thing I can think of more tragic that Haiti after an earth quake was Haiti BEFORE the earthquake. I'm for sending aid, but only in the form of US manufactured goods or US grown food. Cash will likely end up in a Swiss bank account.
 
One way to support the people in the area without getting the aid drained off into private bank accounts is to support the Albert Schweitzer hospital. They have been in Haiti for about 50 years and are the only functioning hospital in the region at this time. Naturally, they are swamped...

Hopital Albert Schweitzer Haiti

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Mathew 25

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
sipowicz said:
I agree about the corruption but you can send money directly to relief efforts run by the US...such as the red cross or salavation army. For me, politics go out the window when devastated children are in need of food water and shelter.....you only have to turn on your tap to know how truly lucky we are...
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I agree with Sip here. Despite the corruption and long-standing problems there, we can still REALLY help by donating to the RC or SA. I did this during the Katrina disaster and felt that it had value. One can't observe the situation in Haiti and not be moved to some action.
IMHO, I would NOT, however, donate anything to a UN-related organization, just based on their philosophy and my concern about where the money would actually go.
My concern is that within another week, the conditions will deteriorate into total chaos without some water, food, and troops to control things. Unless some kind of distribution mechanism appears as well, any trace of civilization will disappear in this country. Nine million people live there! God help them.
 
I used to have respect for Pat Robertson but lately he has gone completely off the reservation. Sort of like Jimmy Carter they both need to put their mouths in neutral. Along with some others we could speak of.
 
I've already taken down a case of canned goods to the local Salvation Army. It will be picked up by the Red Cross and delivered by them. There is no way I am contributing cash.

At first I felt that we do need the help right here at home first, but this disaster is beyond the pale. I'll help where I can.
 
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Then we'll send troops to do what troops are not meant to do.
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So our military is only meant to kill people? Don't we use the military in our own Natural Disasters? I bet if given the chance, many soldiers would rather go and help hand out food and water to people rather than shoot at them. And not to mention humanitarian efforts by our troops shows the world what kind of country we are.
 
I almost always resist the temptation to go Biblical, but:

From those to whom much is given, much is expected. (Luke 12:48)

I have no problem as a US citizen helping out a destroyed community in some other country. I do not resent, and sense no imbalance in the fact, that this now-destroyed community sent no aid to New Orleans after Katrina. My secular corollary to Luke's notion is, "From those to whom nothing is given, nothing is expected." I just don't understand the kind of moral accountancy that relieves one of a current obligation because an earlier, more local tragedy generated no assistance from those who were unable to offer it.

I'm in. I will contribute through the Salvation Army, which is my way of paying tribute to some Canadian ancestors who were leaders in the organization over a century ago.

Gotta ask myself: Do I really need another gun at a time when the money could buy medical supplies or food for kids that need it? In the grand scheme of things, I am probably not overly generous. But I am not so diminished of spirit that I would let children's needs go unaddressed because I spotted another nice five-screw K-22.

This is an easy call at the moment because this year I can afford it. Next year my situation may be different, but I'll deal with that when and if it happens. Maybe next year there will be neither contributions nor new guns. But right now, today, I'll skip the next K-22 in favor of the Haitians.
 
I don't have any questions about what happens to the money I give to the Salvation Army or my local church. I know that money will be well spent. I am a Deacon in a small, conservative, God-fearing, washed-in-the-blood country Southern Baptist Church. We have about 60 members, predominately active or retired public school teachers. We donated over $10,000 to Southern Baptist Disaster Relief for Katrina and the Tsunami. Basically, when something like this happens, we empty our treasury, earmarking the funds for the disaster at hand, which the SBC allows. This is in addition to our regular Mission support and ministries.

I asked the Church Treasurer yesterday how much money we had in the operating account. He said we had eight or nine thousand. He knew where I was going with the question. He said, "You know, we never missed a dime of the money we sent for the Tsunami and Hurricane relief." I expect we will vote Sunday to send all the money we have on hand to the SBC relief agency, just holding back enough to pay the gas and light bills for the next couple of months.
 
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