Help: Thinking about getting a model 17

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I've been thinking about getting a
model 17 and would appreciate
any feedback on what a good
price for one would be.

Used or new, but if I went for a used one I would
like it to be in excellent condition.

Is there anything in particular to look for,
and be aware of on the 17's

Thanks
 
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I cannot remember how many Model 17 and Model 18 revolvers I have owned. They have all been uniformly outstanding in every respect. For range use I think the 6" M-17 is unparalleled. For carry in the field I very much prefer the M-18. I cannot think of any negative issues one might encounter with the M-17. It is highly refined in design and execution. It offers a level of fit, finish and quality that are today unequaled by any current production revolver. It is built like a watch and as strong as a tank. Short of calculated abuse you will never wear it out. For single-action target shooting or fast double-action work, it will meet your every need. In the field its accuracy will make it easy for you to get solid hits on small game. In a nicely fitted holster it will ride lightly on your hip yet it will be heavy enough to settle down in your hands for those occasions when you need to make a long shot. Later models have a lug on the bottom of the barrel ala the S&W L frame series. From my perspective this is a help for target and field use. Later models also have the top strap drilled and tapped which facilitates your mounting a pistol scope or some other optical sight. Again this facilitates use of the revolver at that point in life where your visions is no longer sharp enough to allow the effective use of iron sights. If I prefer the M-18 for field use it is because I enjoy double-action shooting both at the range and in the field. The particular M-18 that I now own was bought from a friend shortly before his passing from cancer. It is breathtakingly accurate (12 rounds into 2" or less at 25yds.) and in beautiful condition. I am now on the lookout for a 6" M-17/617 which I will want to use for the range and possibly some field carry. HTH. Sincerely. brucev.
 
I would estimate ~ $600 - $650 for a used one in excellent condition (no box, etc.) Mine's a 17-3 and is very accurate, with excellent balance.
I love to admire the quality and workmanship.... Definitely go for it!

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Here's the Dash changes:

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The M17 "dashes"

-1: Right-hand to left-hand threading for extractor rod in 1959
-2: Delete triggerguard screw (three-screw introduction) in 1961
-3: Relocation of rear sight leaf screw forward of forcing cone in 1967
-4: Change gas ring from yoke to cylinder in 1977
1982: delete pinned barrel
1986: introduce four-inch heavy barrel for M17; delete M18
-5: New yoke retention system in 1988
-6: Add full-lug barrel in 1990
-7: Drill and tap frame for optics; change rear sight to round base; change extractor in 1994

To determine the year of manufacture: Grab the S/N and check here: Hammerdown~~~ - RimfireCentral.com Forums

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The model 17 and 18 are a favorite of mine and many others on this forum. I have two model 17-4's one a 6 inch and one an 8 3/8 inch and both are very accurate and well made revolvers. I bought the 17-4 6 inch and a 18-4 4 inch bot in 97% condition at a gun show in Springdale, AR last weekend and there weren't very many of them at the gun show. I was offered $75 more then the $550 I paid for the 17-4 just 30 minutes after I bought it and declined the offer.

They have moved up in price the last 6 months or so because more and more people are starting to shoot 22 revolvers again because of the high cost of center fire ammo. There is a whole bunch of fun in a brick (500 rounds) of 22 ammo less then 20 bucks.

I'd look for an early one 17-4 or before just because I like the fit, finish, pinned barrel and craftsmanship from that era. There is nothing wrong with the later versions and if you find one you like buy it.

I think surfdog76 is right on about the prices these days and theyare selling for $600 to $650 in excellent condition and prices will vary depending on your location. If you find one you like buy it then or it may be gone when you go back for it.
 
I've owned several 17s and 617s and loved 'em all. Regardless of era, they are well made and extremely accurate guns. Currently, I'm down to a 617-1 4" which I will never, ever, sell or trade.
 
IMO, the only thing to look out for is that they are so much fun to shoot that they can be addicting. I got very lucky and stumbled on a used 617 at a small gun shop 1/2 mile from work. Because that shop mainly specializes in 9mm and 40 caliber Highpoints, it sat unloved and unwanted for over 2 months in the used showcase. OTD with red dot scope, mounting rail, rug, a brick of 22LR, and one speed loader was 506 and change. The last 3 weekends have been spent shooting it at a nearby 50 yard indoor range and I've managed to get my grouping down to a touch under 3 inches for a 12 shot string at that distance from a bench rest. Would have been 2 inches if it weren't for the 2 flyers.

As for the model 17 and 18's, I actually prefer the look of the partial lug barrel over the full lug on the 617. I got my 617 simply because it was all I could find and I happened on what I believe was a real bargain. I also prefer less weight in the muzzle because I can shoot better in rapid fire DA with a lighter barreled gun. So, I've been eyeing listings for the model 17 and 18. Can't afford one at this time but I do keep looking.

Good news is that the distributor Davidson's is listing a inventory 99+ of their "special feature" model 17 and quantity of 18 of the model 18 at this time and 99+ of the "special feature" model 18. Based on the list price, I would expect that a local dealer rep for Davidson's will probably sell one to you in the range of 775 to 825 dollars. However, make sure you shop around at you local dealer reps for Davidson's because they can vary widely in what they charge. When I decided to purchase my 610, it was through Sports South and one dealer wanted 875 for the 610 while the other charged only 775 for the same gun. I've also found that I get a better deal on guns by paying cash because it saves the dealer the cost of the credit card fees. As for timing, I ordered that 610 last Labor Day weekend and had it in my hands the following Thursday. Which is why I like to watch the distributor's web sites, it makes ordering something that's in stock at a distributor a very pleasent experience as opposed to waiting 6 months to a year for a factory order. Following are link to Davidson's and Sports South and both have dealer listings by state and zip code you can search.

Sports South. BTW, they could learn a thing or two from Davidson's Gun Genie because you'll have to scroll thru the entire S&W handgun list to find the model 17 and see if it's in stock. They also don't show the number in inventory, only if it's in stock or not. However, they did ship that 610 out very quickly and they are the only distributor I know of that stocks the 610.

Online Catalog

Davidson's. I just love the Gun Genie, it makes it so much simpler to look for a specific model. Haven't yet ordered from them yet but have heard good things about them from one local dealer who is a rep.

GalleryofGuns.com - Gun Genie

Davidson's 22 revolver listing.

GalleryofGuns.com - Gun Genie

As for used prices on a model 17, that is going to be completely dependent on Condition. In my area a real beater will command at least 300 dollars and after that the prices go up quickly. In addition, they are such sought after guns that for a really nice condition model 17 you'll probably pay nearly as much for one that is brand new. However, you could always get lucky like I did with my 617 and find one sitting in an area where people turn their noses up at a measly 22 caliber revolver. My best guess on price range for a used 17 would be between 300 and 700 dollars.

As for what to look out for, about the only things that I think can do any harm to any of the steel S&W 22 caliber revolvers are shooting into a squib, dry firing it empty, or a LOT of really hard charging rapid fire drills, plus rust for the mild steel models. I carry a Streamlight Stylus LED flashlight that is about the size of a pencil and these are fantasic for doing a barrel check. Any bulge due to a squib being shot into will show up readily as you peep the barrel as a dark band at one point. Because the bore is so small for the 22, pitting from rust will be difficult to see so take some readers and look carefully. In addition, the barrel will have to be well cleaned in order to see any minor pitting from rusting in the barrel. BTW, I don't think minor pitting is an issue beyond the slight increase in leading it may cause. As for wear from rapid fire practice, or damage from dry firing, these are things that can be repaired, in some cases rather inexpensively, worst case you have to pay to have a new cylinder fitted in addition to the other parts it may need. So, if you find a model 17 that's quite cheap due to wear or minor damage, research the cost for repair and make your decision based on that. BTW, I have seen many posts that indicate that a slight bulge in the barrel of a model 17 due to a squib being shot into has no discernable effect on accuracy. So, if you find a squib shot 17 it at least deserves a test drive, while it will kill the resale value it will probably be an excellent bargain shooter.

One final note. Prices for these guns may seem a bit high considering that they are 22 caliber guns. However, keep in mind that they are guns that will easily last for well over 100 years with some basic care. In addition, they are VERY cheap to shoot. In the long run, it's hard to find a better value even if the buy in price does seem a bit high. IMO, anyone who shoots a wheelgun should have at least one 22 revolver and I think that you'll find that every one who has at least one agrees, and is probably looking for another. Me, I would really like a model 18 and a 5 inch model 63, what you'll desire after you have your first will probably be different. Consider this a warning, just like a certain potato chip, you can't just have one. I have to limit how much 22LR I take on a range trip because it's so much fun to shoot that on some days I wouldn't shoot my major calibers.
 
I recently bought a 617 for $480, and felt like I stole it. Super gun, I'll never sell it. It quickly became my favorite.

-S
 
Thanks everyone for all the great comments...

After I posted my question, I had to run out
to do a bunch of errands, so just was able
to check the board for replies.

On the way back I stopped in at a Gander Mountain...
they didn't have a 17, but I asked how much it would be.
The sales guy checked and his distributor cost was $949.
I said I'd have to think about that, the funny thing
was the sales guy said he would
have to think about it to!

As I said the comments here were most helpful,
and I will be rereading them again.

It was mentioned in one of your replies that
excellent condition used are not far off in price from new...
I got the same feeling, and I notice a seller that had
a new 17 in the plastic case for $750 shipped.
That price didn't appear too high for a new one.
 
Bought my 17-2 (circa 1968) as new, or unused condition, from another collector for $525, with target grips included, in October of last year.

Of course, I've since put a brick or two of ammo through it.

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Well I did make the big move, and I ordered
a new one from an on-line dealer.

The price ended up at $760 shipped to my FFL dealer,
which I felt wasn't too bad considering all
your comments here, and from the prices
I saw on all the auction sites.

Bad part is I won't get it for at least a week or so!

So, thanks again, for all of your helpful comments.
 
....Beware the downside of getting a m17 ....

they will spoil you for any other 22 revolver!!!

For years a buddy & I had a back'n'forth competition; he was a S&W guy & I was a Colt guy.

It was hard to argue with the consistency of his groups in informal off-hand plinking. He finally sold me the m17 after a series of major health issues.

It's a 8 3/8" model. My best 22 ever!
 
Sounds like a good price to me. Can't wait to see the pictures!

I'll post some pics when I get it...I'm thinking it
may arrive at my FFL dealer early next week,
and the we have 3 day wait here.

To complicate things, I'm having some foot surgery
this Friday, and I don't know how many days
I won't be able to get around!

Eventually I'll get the photos up!
 
Amazing to watch how prices have escalated. I just saw the receipt for a beautiful used 17-4 I bought at Gander Mountain in November of '98 - $250. Maybe you could make as much on the stock market, but I've enjoyed this gun since I bought it and will give it to my grandkids to enjoy when I'm gone.

I guess I wasn't lieing to my wife all those years when I'd buy a new gun and say "but it's a good investment".
 
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model 17 is agreat gun to shoot,and the ammo is cheap,its also easy on the hand and wrist. good luck
 
Here are a few photos of the actual model 17 I bought.
That the sellers had taken!
 

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I agree get one I have a k22 the only thing I would add to the purchase a speed loader. A good speedloader makes them fun to shoot and reload keep that lead moving down range. I use and sell the Speed Beez brand speedloaders and the loading blocks. The Speed Beez 617-06 Speedloader works in the 617 six shot. the 6 stands for stainless steel. Get the biggest loading block you can find too. One Speed Bee and a large loading block with a model 17 is a great afternoon of fun!

Speedbeez.com for speedloaders and loading blocks
 
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