Help us get GREEN laser grips

[magnumb]

Crimson Trace (owned by S&W) makes great laser grips, but unfortunately only one in GREEN for the J Frame. There are countless K, L, and N frames out there that are limited to RED only. These are useless in daylight. Many revolver owners and enthusiasts are over age 40 and cannot effectively focus on their iron sights. Lasers are a great benefit IMHO. If Crimson Traces develops just two or three models, a huge variety of revolvers can be served. One model (LG 207) supports K/L/N round and square, but RED only.

After speaking to Crimson Trace sales and marketing the suggested that I request a new model on their website, and even better encourage others to do the same. If you want a green laser for your revolver please support the cause by going to the website below and requesting a new model. Together we have a voice. Thanks, Magnumb.

Contact Us | Crimson Trace Lasergrips

 

[rct269]

Let's see if I have this right.

You spoke to the Sales and Marketing folks.

They suggested YOU identify a need----YOU create a demand.

Just what is it THEY do?

Ralph Tremaine

 

[magnumb]

Help us get Green Laser Grips for S&W

With enough market demand they consider investing in a new mold required to house green lasers. They don't invest without a return on their investment. If we can create a demand, they may create a supply. No demand, no supply, that simple. Help if you like, or settle for the status quo, your choice.

 

[Snapping Twig]

Make a new mold?

How about they buy green lasers and swap them out for the red - new product, same price, more choice.

New mold... yeah... right....

 

[Cal44]

Why are people arguing against this?

If you would like to see green laser grips in more configurations for more S&W models, then magnumb has a good suggestion -- tell them.

A couple posters sound like they are implying Crimson Trace is a stupidly run company. I disagree. I think CT is a well run company. Adding more products is costly, and isn't worth doing unless they will increase sales.

I have two green laser CT grips -- one for j frames and another for my LCR. In both cases, the internal configuration of the grip is slightly different than the older red laser grips. For one thing, the green laser versions need space for four batteries rather than two. The laser module is also a little larger, I believe.

So a new mold is needed.

 

[Bakebfr480]

Sounds like an idea that has no market!

 

[magnumb]

Help us get Green Laser Grips for S&W

Hard to understand the negativity. Negativity alone accomplishes noting. I am trying to facilitate new capability for the many, many folks over 40 that own revolvers. Most, if not all of us suffer from presbyopia (reduced accommodation, or flexing of the lens to allow near vision without assistance). Sure you can crane your neck back and look though your bifocal or progressive lens, but then you are in a poor shooting and defensive posture, and have much reduced peripheral awareness and ability to track the bad guy. For arm length distances this does not come into play, but how about 30 ft down the hallway?

Some might conclude to buy a semi auto and spray and pray; every one of those rounds goes somewhere, and with my 6 shots I also want to make every one count. Anyone without a bias on their favorite round knows shot placement is the key to defense and incapacitation. Give me one or two well placed shots please. The laser helps immensely with that, but Red lasers are useless in daylight outdoors.

For those not well versed in electro-optics, it's not a simple thing to create a green laser. Green lasers do not directly emit green light, rather the invisible light of an IR laser is doubled in frequency. This process is much less efficient, uses more power, and takes up more space for optics and batteries, thus a different mold is required to house the components for a green laser.

If you don't want or like lasers, fine with me, but INHO they are a great benefit to many, especially if they have a few grey hairs up top.

 

[model3sw]

Have a green set of CT grips on my 60-1 for about the past year. Lifetime guarantee on the BATTERY, yes, battery. Thanks to COLT_SAA (Mark) for suggesting and ordering them for me. I had NO idea only the J-frames came in green.

 

[Protocall_Design]

I have a couple of red CT laser grips, very good quality. If someone is going to make green ones, I want it to be CT. I got on the website and requested them.

 

[MichiganScott]

Hard to understand the negativity. Negativity alone accomplishes noting. I am trying to facilitate new capability for the many, many folks over 40 that own revolvers. Most, if not all of us suffer from presbyopia (reduced accommodation, or flexing of the lens to allow near vision without assistance). Sure you can crane your neck back and look though your bifocal or progressive lens, but then you are in a poor shooting and defensive posture, and have much reduced peripheral awareness and ability to track the bad guy. For arm length distances this does not come into play, but how about 30 ft down the hallway?

Some might conclude to buy a semi auto and spray and pray; every one of those rounds goes somewhere, and with my 6 shots I also want to make every one count. Anyone without a bias on their favorite round knows shot placement is the key to defense and incapacitation. Give me one or two well placed shots please. The laser helps immensely with that, but Red lasers are useless in daylight outdoors.

For those not well versed in electro-optics, it's not a simple thing to create a green laser. Green lasers do not directly emit green light, rather the invisible light of an IR laser is doubled in frequency. This process is much less efficient, uses more power, and takes up more space for optics and batteries, thus a different mold is required to house the components for a green laser.

If you don't want or like lasers, fine with me, but INHO they are a great benefit to many, especially if they have a few grey hairs up top.

I've got rather severe presbyopia. During daylight hours outdoors I can shoot more than adequate groups double action with fuzzy sights at 30 feet. I'm at a loss as to how my presbyopia diminishes my peripheral awareness and ability to track my target. People usually lose their peripheral awareness and ability to track the target by attempting to place the laser dot on the target instead of following the target with the sights and using the dot as a supplement.

I'd rather spend the dollars on ammunition and practice with my fuzzy sights instead of attempting to buy technology that may or may not help me shoot better.

 

[magnumb]

help us get green sights

I was referring to my personal experience. For "me" to be able to clearly focus on my front sight (as most of us were taught when we were much younger) I have to tilt my head way back to get to that area of my progressive. I do not feel not as well balanced, and looking at a pretty severe downward angle with my eyes. This is far less than optimal, at least for me.
Perhaps the answer is to change technique. Look normally, focus on target with very fuzzy front and rear sights - completely different that what I was taught and practiced over the years. I would love to hear productive practical suggestions for using this technique.
I might be too picky about group size and slow fire. I can probably point shoot (no sights) a one foot circle at 21 ft. once I know where the bullets are landing. Where that first one lands (bad guys are not stationary or paper) with no sight is another story. With the laser, it's not too hard to get a 1 inch group at that distance from the first shot on!
If someone has practical tips for a fuzzy sight technique, please share!

 

[colt_saa]

Make a new mold?

How about they buy green lasers and swap them out for the red - new product, same price, more choice.

New mold... yeah... right....

Actually they do need a new mold

You are under a common misconception that a red laser module and a green laser module are the same thing. They are not.

They are not the same size to start with. So changes in the mold would have to occur just to accommodate the size differences of the components

Green lasers draw considerably more current than red lasers. To achieve the same one year average battery life a green laser required 4 lithium cells as opposed to the two that are used with red laser modules. So a mold would have to be created to house two batteries in each grip panel

The two laser diodes are not even the same price as a bare part. With the HUGE production of red laser modules world wide for pointers and such, the cost per module has dropped significantly over the years. Green laser diode production has not even come close to those numbers. As anyone in manufacturing knows, as quantities increase, cost per piece decreases

The investment in the new mold is significant, so they need to have a predictable return on investment, that is not the K/L/N frame market.

As much as we would like to think so, the few thousnad members of this Forum do not make up a large enough market share to be taken seriously for new product development. If we did, firearms like the 610, 617, 845, 5906 and 1076 would still be in production

I can safely predict that no Government Agency is going to contract for new K/L/N frame revolvers.

I can also safely predict that one or more Government Agencies will contract for M&P auto loaders or Glocks or SIGs. Those would be who I target new green laser designs for.

 

[scooterfiend]

an idea

magnumb (the OP) says:
If you want a green laser for your revolver please support the cause by going to the website below and requesting a new model. Together we have a voice. Thanks, Magnumb.

My thought, (if it matters and sometimes it doesn't)
If you're not interested in a green Crimson Trace grip, move to the next thread.

 

[magnumb]

Help us get Green Laser Grips for S&W

It's all about the business case for sure, companies are in business to earn profits for their shareholders and bonuses for the execs

Besides our group, and other internet groups, there must be a huge market history for L frames in particular. One Grip, the LG207 fits K, L, and N, round or square. I own this one in RED on my model 19. That one model redesigned could cover a great many applications. Heck it cold even be possible to mill out the existing one to a make room for the green laser and batteries (maybe a stretch). I just know, don't ask and you will never get. They thought they had enough market to make a J frame in green, I'm hoping to add L frame to the mix, fingers crossed.

 

[Doug M.]

I read a description on another forum of how a red laser becomes green. colt_saa's description is along the same lines. More power, more hassle to convert the wavelength to show green instead of red; more complexity.

The differing uses each member have for their handguns will impact the worth of any given sighting system. I just did a Gunsite 150 class this past weekend, trying out my Aimpoint equipped Glock. It is still pretty hard to find the dot in a hurry. When I did find it, the shooting was very precise, which has its own value. It was also too slow for fighting based on the knowledge I already have. Even the XS big dots are no longer clear enough, so balancing the needs is a problem.