Here's a hazard to the a/d that we hadn't considered

[rednichols]

An intentional or accidental discharge into the floor of an EV, which is almost literally carpeted with batteries. A chap on YouTube (you can find the video yourselves) fired a .22 into just one battery and the result is spectacular. He used only a .22 (his garage door is in the backstop!!) so had to pierce the initial dent before shooting the battery a second time (whoops, reviewing the video I see that the tester punctured the shot battery a second time, manually, to cause the flame). But IMHO a 9mm fully jacketed would fully penetrate it the first time! Consider this added to the documented a/ds while carrying in the car (such as AIWB):

EV battery fires take about 2 days to extinguish themselves. So far the firefighters have not been able to speed that up with existing equipment. Now imaging this starting up among the thousands of batteries (they look like enlarged AA batteries) that cover the floor of every EV; long range vehicles have the most. The Volvo I considered had batteries under all the seats and along the central tunnel, too. In the image the battery packs are beneath all the black panels:

 

[Rustyt1953]

A problem I will never have to worry about.

 

[rednichols]

A problem I will never have to worry about.

Not even if you're carrying while riding in a friend's EV? Or a taxi that is an EV? Let's agree that you intend never to be in a gunfight in someone else's EV .

Perhaps the best hope is that lithium ion batteries are being phased out in cars, for the time being with lithium IRON which does not burn (my salesman told me; house batteries). And lithium iron will be phased out thereafter in favor of even newer technology.

But you can bet that the NHTSA testing standards for EVs don't involve bullet-proofing the battery packs, with ballistic blankets for example!

 

[Bald1]

Not even if you're carrying while riding in a friend's EV? Or a taxi that is an EV? Let's agree that you intend never to be in a gunfight in someone else's EV .

I don’t think Rusty is hang’n with the EV crowd

 

[Rustyt1953]

None of my relatives or friends own EV's. I don't use taxis, Uber or Lyft.

I also don't play with my pocket pistol.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

My only EV and only ever will be is my.........Club Car golf cart.......Of late. I'm enjoying my JD Gator more and more.....The Gator has never run out of charge and caused me to have to walk home.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

When my Buddy Carl in Kokomo touched off that Black Widow Luger-
It was into the floor of his living room.
Uncomfortably close to my feet and his feet.
Also passing on EVs.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

A problem I will never have to worry about.

Not even if you're carrying while riding in a friend's EV? Or a taxi that is an EV? Let's agree that you intend never to be in a gunfight in someone else's EV .

The chances of my riding in an EV are slim. I won't say none because I did once a few years ago when Teslas were first popular. Most of the folks I pal around with are not into EVs.

But if I happen to be in one I won't touch my gun!

Those battery fires are fierce!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chubbs103]

My favorite negligent discharge in the car story goes something like this:

A friend of mine was visiting someone he knows on a large ranch in Texas. My friend is not real gun savvy, so he was very curious when he watched his friend chamber a round in a big-bore lever action, lower the hammer, and wedge the rifle into the gap in the front seat (muzzle down) of his dad's new F250. Before they took a drive in the back 40.

While they were driving, my friend asks about the basics of lever actions, and keeping a loaded chamber. the driver explained that it was perfectly safe to have a loaded chamber and how quick it was to get the rifle into action. The driver then reaches over and cocks the hammer, planning on demonstrating how to lower it.

Of course it went off as he attempted to lower the hammer. Windows up on a hot summer day.

Apparently, once they stopped the truck, they bailed out and stumbled around with their heads not quite right.

The bullet went through the floor and right through the top of the transmission housing....

 

[bobsguns]

Real men neither own, drive nor ride in EV's. Unless they also rock a man bun.

 

[Bald1]

Real men neither own, drive nor ride in EV's. Unless they also rock a man bun.

There you have it!!!!! Finally some real unfiltered talk.

 

[yeti]

Good guidelines this far.

Maybe don't shoot your car, whatever it is that you drive.

 

[rednichols]

Good guidelines this far.

Maybe don't shoot your car, whatever it is that you drive.

Agreed. Now I see an article outlining plans to put the batteries in the doors of EVs. Then imagine a bullet through said doors and not necessarily the car owner's bullet. These designers are not rocket scientists, even a humble car collision could pierce one or more batteries mounted there.

 

[bobsguns]

Good guidelines this far.

Maybe don't shoot your car, whatever it is that you drive.

I've owned a couple that needed shootin'.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

So one friend of mine shot the radio of his Cadillac, another his TV and one more his hand. The Cadux and hand were from 1911 .45 ACP's. The TV expired from a .30 cal. carbine paratrooper model.

These were all long before the invention of EV's. The Cadillac man learned from his mistake and became very safe and sane. The other two, not so much.

 

[bobsguns]

Agreed. These designers are not rocket scientists,

Why do you think they put oil filters, spark plugs, oil pressure sending units, etc in impossible-to-reach locations?

First time I saw a truck body on a car lift while the chassis was on the floor I was shocked. Then I saw the mechanic working on the rear of the motor, which would've been UNDER the firewall if the body were still on it. I would assume that's how mechanics work on cars such as the Corvette, a Ferrari, etc.

I once saw a Lamborghini have its motor pulled in order to replace its starter. It couldn't be accessed otherwise.

Designers are sick people, IMO.

 

[bobsguns]

So one friend of mine shot the radio of his Cadillac, another his TV and one more his hand. The Cadux and hand were from 1911 .45 ACP's. The TV expired from a .30 cal. carbine paratrooper model.

These were all long before the invention of EV's. The Cadillac man learned from his mistake and became very safe and sane. The other two, not so much.

You should choose your friends better...................

 

[rednichols]

Why do you think they put oil filters, spark plugs, oil pressure sending units, etc in impossible-to-reach locations?

First time I saw a truck body on a car lift while the chassis was on the floor I was shocked. Then I saw the mechanic working on the rear of the motor, which would've been UNDER the firewall if the body were still on it. I would assume that's how mechanics work on cars such as the Corvette, a Ferrari, etc.

I once saw a Lamborghini have its motor pulled in order to replace its starter. It couldn't be accessed otherwise.

Designers are sick people, IMO.

My humble 1972 2000 cc Pinto had to be lifted off its motor mounts to change the starter! And my SVO Mustang 2.3T of 1986? The tiny spring clip that held the turbocharger wastegate could only be removed from below, so the turbo itself couldn't be removed from above. Man I cursed that car.

 

[steelslaver]

Putting parts in impossible to access locations started long before EVs. It took me almost a day to remove the alternator from my Ford Escape and most of another to install the replacement, which lasted less than 500 miles.

Lithium ion battery fires are just like any other metal fire. They burn extremely hot, light an old Volkswagen block on fire sometime. Be sure to have your welding hood on when you look at it.

I save used anodes from heat exchangers. Toss one in a camp fire and once it is glowing in the coals dump a bit of water on it and hey its daylight in camp. Powdered aluminum will also burn white hot. Iron also burns very hot. Take some steel wool and stick the terminals of a 9 volt battery against it. It is just real hard to oxygenate serious hunks of iron enough to burn it. Rust and powdered iron however burns white hot. A mixture of 3 parts powdered iron and 1 part powdered aluminum by mass makes a thermite.

Most metals burn, they just take a bit to light them up enough make them self sustaining fires, one that is accomplished Katy bar the doors

 

[Peak53]

Putting parts in impossible to access locations started long before EVs. It took me almost a day to remove the alternator from my Ford Escape and most of another to install the replacement, which lasted less than 500 miles.

Lithium ion battery fires are just like any other metal fire. They burn extremely hot, light an old Volkswagen block on fire sometime. Be sure to have your welding hood on when you look at it.

I save used anodes from heat exchangers. Toss one in a camp fire and once it is glowing in the coals dump a bit of water on it and hey its daylight in camp. Powdered aluminum will also burn white hot. Iron also burns very hot. Take some steel wool and stick the terminals of a 9 volt battery against it. It is just real hard to oxygenate serious hunks of iron enough to burn it. Rust and powdered iron however burns white hot. A mixture of 3 parts powdered iron and 1 part powdered aluminum by mass makes a thermite.

Most metals burn, they just take a bit to light them up enough make them self sustaining fires, one that is accomplished Katy bar the doors

Well, the local master metallurgist might . But this guy is sticking to hairspray and a match for delights