Hey S&W, I want an M&P 22 Pistol made here.

[Dave686]

I have bought Smith & Wesson all my life, not only because they are of the highest quality available, but also because they are made here by Americans. I try not to buy foreign guns.

I was excited to see the new offering of the M&P 22 pistols. My M&P collection consists of the M&P15T, M&P15-22, M&P40 full size and M&P40C. But I was disappointed when I saw it was made overseas.

If this is your design, please bring it home where it belongs.
Thanks.

 

[jaykellogg]

The M&P22 is made by Walther in Germany (as you know). I believe your M&P40 and M&P40C are also made by Walther in Germany.

What makes companies decide where to manufacture products is beyond me. AFAIK, labor rates in Germany are as high as the USA and you still have the shipping cost.

 

[Dave686]

I believe your M&P40 and M&P40C are also made by Walther in Germany.

My M&P pistols are 100% made here.

 

[jaykellogg]

Made in USA?

My M&P pistols are 100% made here.

You are correct, I just checked mine and it is also made in the USA in Springfield, MA.

 

[10mm Sonny]

It's sad how rare "made in the USA" pride is today. I'm getting raked over the coals by punks on youtube because I said I don't like Japanese cars.

Pride in America is being replaced by the politically correct, lets bash on America, white guilt crowd.

/rant

 

[thenose]

made in America

First let me say that I very much like both my M&Ps. The fact that they are made in America just adds a lot to it. What chaps me a little is the fact that they send you a trigger lock with the gun, which I will never use, and it is in a package that says in big letters "Made in China". Come on S&W! You've got a great product and a good American company. Surely you can find someone in the USA to produce your locks!

Just for what it's worth!

 

[Heber Guy]

Master Lock Co, Milwaukee, Wi.
No Need for China.

 

[61woody]

I can handle the .22 being built overseas if it is made in a modern factory by properly paid folks. Not a fan of slapping a U.S. name on a gun from a 3rd world country.
My guess is Smith is not planning on this being a high volume seller and they prolly can't build it here for the same price. I can see the argument for it being a good training aid to the bigger M&Ps but most guys I know have .22s for other purposes.

 

[mkess]

Something else to considering, I was out lookng for either an M&P 22 or a Sigma 9VE and had multiple dealers say that S&W is running one machine right now and all dealers on a minimum 90 day backorder. They may be farming some of the work to Walther to try and catch up.

 

[Tyrod]

S&W has to weigh the cost of tooling up another production line versus farming it out. I'd imagine S&W would have a hard time predicting the sales of another 22lr pistol. So, if they tooled up another production line to make the M&P22 and sales lagged then they get hit double with the cost of the line and idle time. This is no small thing, it could mean millions of dollars. S&W doesn't have a particulaly good record of 22LR autoloader sales except for the Model 41 and some revolvers. So, farm it out and let someone else take the hit if sales tank. I'd rather have a healthy S&W than one that is bleeding revenue.

For the actual manufacturer. At least it's not made by some folks that just came in off the rice paddy yesterday. Walther is a well known and at least equally respected gun maker to S&W. The Walther made Colt 22lr 1911 Rail Gun I own is as good quality as any Hartford made Colt, certainly as good as any Colts I own. Some parts even interchange. Like the entire fire control mechanism including the grip safely & mainspring housing. It makes tuning it as easy as any 1911 or clone.

Here are my 22 handguns

2 Smiths with an M&P22 in shipment and a Walther/Colt along with a Beretta.

S&W is still making money off of the M&P22 which will help to insure Springfield employees keep their jobs and who knows, if the M&P22 is wildly sucessful they may bring production home. Don't forget that S&W is making Walthers under license here in the US also employing Americans and production of the M&P22 by Walther may just be one of the deal sweeteners for that license. So, in this case, don't worry so much about where it's made, just buy it if it suits your purpose.

 

[GRP17]

I think the M&P22 will be a good seller for them. I have heard many good things about the M&P15 22.

 

[crracer_712]

I too wish the M&P22 were made in the USA. The 15-22 is, and it's been a huge success. What bothers me a little about the M&P22 is, it just isn't up to the quality of the M&P pistols, you can feel the difference. Yet it seems to be priced at near for retail for the most part. Cheapest I saw the pistol at the gun show was 345.00, most places want 380, and a couple places had them at 435.00.

Ruger is making their SR22 in house in Amercia, has the same retail as the Smith at 399.00. Most online froums are reporting having paid 330 ish for the pistol. My LGS says 305.00. The dealer at the gun show that offered the Smith for 345.00 had the Ruger selling for 289.00. The Ruger comes with two interchangable grips at that price, while the smith has a plastic molded fixed grip, modeled after a gun that gives you 3 interchangable backstraps for often a hundred bucks more than this German made pistol that ought to be made here in the states by the American icon company that puts its name on the side.

 

[TSQUARED]

I believetThe M&P22 pistol is not a true copy of a S&W M&P with a 22 caliber top end. Most likely the cost of development outweighed the cost of having UMAREX make a pistol whose externals would be similar to a S&W M&P since UMAREX as already making one with 1991 lines.
I always hear people mumbling about having products made in the uSA but they want to pay Chinese made prices. That's what the management of S&W up against. How many times do you see notes on this forum for people who want a quality 22 revolver for $300 to $400 - it will not happen unless Marican workers get Chinese wages (God forbid).

 

[crracer_712]

For the price the MP22 seem to sell at, it seems like they are American made prices. It's not far off from the American made big brothers (45, 40, 357 sig) and sister (9mm)...

Perhaps when they get more out, and if the price were to come down to the 300 dollar range, I'd be inclined to get one.

 

[Maximumbob54]

Either way, I won't be buying one now. I wanted the new Ruger SP101 .22LR anyways so I have one less rimfire to buy now.

 

[Dave686]

I'll be adding a Shield to my M&P collection as soon as I can get my hands on a 40.
Maybe a trial "Patriot Run" of the .22 for those of us that don't buy foreign guns to see how it does?

 

[catcus-jack]

You guys make me laugh. You say I won't buy any gun made in Germany,China,India,Taiwan etc.Most of you drive foreign cars,watch tvs,and are posting on this forum with a computer made overseas.Pretty damn funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[McBear]

It's sad how rare "made in the USA" pride is today. I'm getting raked over the coals by punks on youtube because I said I don't like Japanese cars.

Pride in America is being replaced by the politically correct, lets bash on America, white guilt crowd.

/rant

Honda Accord is made in Ohio, Nissan is made in Tennessee, Subaru in Indiana and the Camry just up the road in Georgetown, Kentucky. The Camry has the MOST US content of any car built in America.

Most Japanese cars are as much or more "Made in USA" as US manufacturers. Such is the global economy.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

You guys make me laugh. You say I won't buy any gun made in Germany,China,India,Taiwan etc.Most of you drive foreign cars,watch tvs,and are posting on this forum with a computer made overseas.Pretty damn funny if it wasn't so sad.

Well some things you just don't have a choice on. As for me, I do have some non-U.S. made guns but I do like it when I buy American and I'm honestly quite shocked when I see a "Made in USA" tag on any type of clothing now a days.

I know some people pointed out how the little day planner case that comes with the BG380 says made in China while the big Made in USA letters are on the box. It's the same thing with the Ruger SR1911 case and probably any gun that comes with a soft padded case. Some things are just not looked upon with a necessity for being U.S. made.

Many .22lr pistols seem to be German made like the GSG line, Sig, M&P22, P22, etc and that's probably because it's not at the top of the companies priority. It's a shame that it isn't when your talking about one of the most well known American firearms manufactures to ever exist, but that's the corporate mindset.

Pretty soon overseas manufacturing is going to cost as much if not more than if they made the same product here. Some companies are bringing back production to the states but it's a very slow process. People may complain about products not being made in the U.S. and then buy foreign made products, but that's because these corporations have given us no other choice just so they can save a buck. I'd love to have all of my everyday items be made here in the U.S. but at this point and time, I'd go nuts searching for them and would have to forgo buying certain products all together. That's why it's nice to see something say "Made in USA" on it. It used to mean something, but that mentality is sadly lost on most people now.

 

[LedFowl]

Seems like it would be more expensive to have it built in Germany.