Hollow Point Suggestions?

[Rick-F]

this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.

As for my gun being defective, it is defective to the point it refuses to feed exactly one cheap brand of ammo...if it does this with others, i will have S&W replace the barrel as it would be a feedramp issue, but not feeding one box of one lot of cheapest ammo does not make a defective gun...cheapest ammo is cheapest for a reason...more variation in components/bullets/brass/casemouth burrs, assembly/seating depth, and less QC oversight

Unfortunately, these are the areas where you are probably a thousand times more likely to have to actually USE your concealed weapon in real-life situation . . .

 

[Elmer]

this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.

You're correct, most of the hype has come from famous gun writer's inventive minds.

Now could handloads be raised as an issue in a less than airtight defense shooting? Sure. Especially in an urban area with less firearms savvy juries.

As for my gun being defective, it is defective to the point it refuses to feed exactly one cheap brand of ammo...if it does this with others, i will have S&W replace the barrel as it would be a feedramp issue, but not feeding one box of one lot of cheapest ammo does not make a defective gun...cheapest ammo is cheapest for a reason...more variation in components/bullets/brass/casemouth burrs, assembly/seating depth, and less QC oversight

In your other post, you spoke of the bullet's design being the issue.

I don't know if you've ever been to the Winchester plant, but I've been there a few times. They maintain samples of most major gun models, including very low cost guns, and they test all their ammunition for feeding in them, even their white box loads. It's not in their best interest to ship ammo with feeding problems in common guns, even to Wal Mart. I'm confident feeding is more of a priority in their white box loads than terminal performance of the bullet. Most Wal Mart customers aren't going to return it because it didn't make 12" in bare gel, but if it doesn't feed in their High Point they probably will.

I understand what you're saying, but in a self defense gun, I'd still be concerned about it not feeding, and I'd let S&W fix it. There's no reason for it not to run in your gun.

 

[mtngunr]

You're correct, most of the hype has come from famous gun writer's inventive minds.

Now could handloads be raised as an issue in a less than airtight defense shooting? Sure. Especially in an urban area with less firearms savvy juries.



In your other post, you spoke of the bullet's design being the issue.

I don't know if you've ever been to the Winchester plant, but I've been there a few times. They maintain samples of most major gun models, including very low cost guns, and they test all their ammunition for feeding in them, even their white box loads. It's not in their best interest to ship ammo with feeding problems in common guns, even to Wal Mart. I'm confident feeding is more of a priority in their white box loads than terminal performance of the bullet. Most Wal Mart customers aren't going to return it because it didn't make 12" in bare gel, but if it doesn't feed in their High Point they probably will.

I understand what you're saying, but in a self defense gun, I'd still be concerned about it not feeding, and I'd let S&W fix it. There's no reason for it not to run in your gun.

Everything else has run fine, and Winchester nor anyone else puts the same amount TLC into assembly or components of their low-end lines...not to say you have to get the $20/20rds stuff, but generically speaking you WILL get better ammo with the mid-range price stuff over loss leader promo....you will find burrs on case mouths, inconsistant seating depth, and this particular lot is even VISUALLY inconsistant, older cases mixed with newer, different primer colors, differing levels of light corrosion or speckling....the gun has run perfectly with everything else tried and i'll not be sending a gun back because it doesn't function with one box of cheapo delux ammo....the mouth of the HP would be gouging an aluminum frame, it is going at that straight in, and leaves a blob of lead low and centered on the ramp after a couple of successful shots, and lead shouldn't be touching ANYthing....either they were seated too short, or they have improved ogive on later ammo, which has happened a lot....I can say this ammo though new has been in a warehouse somewhere for a while....but i'm not going to buy this particular style/maker/weight anymore anyhow....their 147s run fine through the gun.....

As for posters claiming their areas are more dangerous, no argument there, mainly as armed populace is so rare...

 

[mtngunr]

just sorta an update on the Winwhite 115grJHP failure in MY gun, while all other stuff has worked fine...called Winchester who is sending a prepaid mailer, all i have to do is leave it suitably double boxed and marked ORM-D/small arms ammunition, UPS will pick it up, and a Winchester coupon for a good deal more than what i spent on the two boxes of ammo will be dispatched to my house and i can get the 147gr Winwhite that DOES work perfectly in my gun....

 

[Jamie]

FWIW, this weekend while attending a tactical training class, I found out that the Winchester Ranger 115gr +P+ WILL go through both sides of a Ford Aerostar van, the standard stuff, (including .45 cal FMJ), won't. The instructor, who carries .357 Sig, likes the +P+ 9mm, BUT also pointed out that your gun better be able to handle it!