home defense question

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We ( wife and I ) live in a small quiet neighborhood. Very seldom is there anyone besides us there at night. House is bi-level, with our room upstairs. We have 3 firearms hidden throughout house, and a nightstand gun. Now the question: Do you close and lock your bedroom door at night?
 
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Yes, I do.
It will give you time to grab your gun, while the invaders try to open the door and you can hear that.


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Nope, all interior doors open. It aids hearing what's going on, eliminates me having to open a door to see what's going on, and keeps me from being a target in the general area of the door. (I can move through it without warning).

Besides, if they are already in the house, game on. (I'm not the cower in the bedroom type)

YMMV
 
I see no advantage in doing it, and I live in a ground-floor apartment. My door is steel. My windows would be very difficult to get through. My little dog is very good about loudly letting me know if anyone is outside the door. I have a gun in the head of my bed and my EDC within easy reach as well.

I live alone and have no one else to defend. I'm not willing to live on constant level orange alert.

I haven't even closed my bedroom door in over two years. :D
 
Yes, I lock my door. I also have a fairly comprehensive alarm system etc. It has nothing to do with being on constant alert, in fact it's the opposite. The alarm etc enables me to relax.

This is the 21st century, take advantage of the technology, alarms, door cameras etc are a good thing.
 
No, I do not lock inside doors. Fire/rescue is more likely to have to get in.
 
An early warning system (like a dog) or electronics as mentioned above will probably be more effective than a locked bedroom door. Lots of good, inexpensive stuff about there to help you.

That said, the door should still be lockable just in case a place of refuge is needed.
 
Interesting conversation. I've always kept my door shut but I think that is to keep light and sound out of the bedroom. I've given a lot of thought to locking the door and even bolstering the lock. The thought being that I would have more time and I would be more certain that a bad guy is on the other side of the door. Let's face it, friend and family are not going to kick down an internal door without announcing themselves in some manner. I pretty much thought once the door opens, action gets taken to stop the threat. Bad logic?

Also, for me, the kids are gone. I would not have the same thought if the kids were in the house and certainly would not be locking my door at night with kids in the house.
 
I've never thought about that before. I never close my bedroom door. In fact, it doesn't even have a knob on it.:eek:

After some thought, I'd say no. I think it's better to have interior doors open. There should be enough warning when the bad guy breaks in through a window or exterior door.
 
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Interesting conversation. I've always kept my door shut but I think that is to keep light and sound out of the bedroom. I've given a lot of thought to locking the door and even bolstering the lock. The thought being that I would have more time and I would be more certain that a bad guy is on the other side of the door. Let's face it, friend and family are not going to kick down an internal door without announcing themselves in some manner. I pretty much thought once the door opens, action gets taken to stop the threat. Bad logic?

Also, for me, the kids are gone. I would not have the same thought if the kids were in the house and certainly would not be locking my door at night with kids in the house.

That is the logic I was thinking. Our CC instructor even told us in class, that if you know it is a threat, just shoot through the door. My thoughts were it would be better to call 911 and stay behind cover in the bedroom. I feel a lot more comfortable with the 45 trained on the door from behind the waterbed frame, with the wife behind me with her 357 than leaving her there while I wander through the house hoping I come out ahead when TSHTF. I will admit I do not have the training or knowledge to clear a house. Everything in the house except my wife can be replaced.
 
That is the logic I was thinking. Our CC instructor even told us in class, that if you know it is a threat,
just shoot through the door. My thoughts were it would be better to call 911 and stay behind cover in the bedroom. I feel a lot more comfortable with the 45 trained on the door from behind the waterbed frame, with the wife behind me with her 357 than leaving her there while I wander through the house hoping I come out ahead when TSHTF. I will admit I do not have the training or knowledge to clear a house. Everything in the house except my wife can be replaced.

There is no way I would shoot through a door without being able to see what I was shooting at.
 
Our CC instructor even told us in class, that if you know it is a threat, just shoot through the door.
This is horribly bad advice. Some have survived prosecution after shooting through a door, but you've put yourself behind the 8 ball on your defense.

If they are on the other side of the door, how is your life in danger? If you can't see them, how do you know it's a bad guy?

No, never shoot until they get through the door.
 
Nope, doors are wide open....Not only can i hear better, but i get a nice cross breeze at night.
 
a threat

This is horribly bad advice. Some have survived prosecution after shooting through a door, but you've put yourself behind the 8 ball on your defense.

If they are on the other side of the door, how is your life in danger? If you can't see them, how do you know it's a bad guy?
Who other than a bad guy would be trying to knock down my bedroom door in the middle of the night without identifying themselves?

No, never shoot until they get through the door.

In Kansas, if in my house in the middle of the night, trying to bust down my locked door, they are a threat and I am legal to protect myself without waiting until they come through the door.
 
Bedroom door open and gun loaded on the night stand. 2 dogs in and out, as mentioned a nice breeze with the door open and most importantly when I gotta go... can't have a locked door slowing me down! and no way am I shooting through the door.
 
Interesting. I never have thought about locking my bedroom door or even closing it at night.
Not sure what that would accomplish. I want to know if someone is in my house that's not supposed to be there and I'm afraid a closed door would stop me from knowing that.

How would you know what is on the other side of that closed door? That is Scary to me. Not knowing.
 
A tubercular five year old could kick in my bedroom door. I don't make enough money to rebuild my landlord's facilities.

My defense is an active defense.

Aside from people robbing drug dealers and gambling operations, home invaders don't seem to expect serious resistance. Shooting them repeatedly appears to put them seriously off their game.
 
Door always open. In case of an emergency or a breakin, I would want to be able to see, hear, and smell throughout the house. I would not feel comfortable behind a closed door.
 
Closed. The dog will wake me up if someone is in or trying to get into the home, but I don't want her running out of the room to lick an intruder to death.

I have a very long oak dresser that will provide excellent cover where I can maintain a 12ga pointed at the door. No reason to give up a position of such advantage to go run around the house playing intruder hunt. I'll call 911 and be patient.
 
Door open. My dog provides early warning and my handgun is within easy reach.


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Door open

Gun down low by my headboard in a small locked gun vault, easily opened by one swipe of thumbprint.

I just lost my best warning system (also my best friend) -- my black labbie. Cancer. Her litter-mate sister is unfortunately not anywhere in the same league as far as sound goes. This is prompting me to start thinking serious about an ADT system or something.
 
Who other than a bad guy would be trying to knock down my bedroom door in the middle of the night without identifying themselves?
This is not in question. Of course it's a bad guy. The universal requirement to use of deadly force is that your life must be in immediate danger. While the guy is on the other side of the door, you are not in immediate danger. You could tell him that you have a gun and he could leave without finishing busting the door. If he persists, you still have a clear advantage and can still shoot him.

I have a co-worker who was awakened in the middle of the night by someone breaking into his apartment. He got up, grabbed his gun and went to investigate. Sure enough, a guy was breaking in his kitchen door. He waited until the guy got in and pointed is gun at him. At that moment the guy ran away.

The police were called and while they were talking to my co-worker, the "bad guy" comes back.:eek: It turns out that he just had the wrong apartment. He lost his keys and thought he was breaking in to his own apartment.

If he had shot through the door, he would have killed a father of two for no reason.

In Kansas, if in my house in the middle of the night, trying to bust down my locked door, they are a threat and I am legal to protect myself without waiting until they come through the door.
Are you sure about that? Can you cite a law that states that? Are you willing to test it in front of a jury?

The only thing I'm trying to say here is, be sure of your target. You can't be sure of your target if they are on the other side of a door.
 
Who ever said shoot through the door apparently never heard of "being sure of and identify your target" before shooting.
 
"The universal requirement to use of deadly force is that your life must be in immediate danger. While the guy is on the other side of the door, you are not in immediate danger. "

That is not true, in some states the fact he's on the other side of the door meets the legal requirements for self defense.

NC has the castle doctrine, if a perp has broken in your house, car or work place, he's subject to be legally shot, regardless of what he's doing. He is presumed by law to be a threat to you by virtue of his having broke in.

Quote from lawyer's interpretation of the law:

The law presumes that "a person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

The apartment example is fine, but not all of us live in apartments or in the city. I live in the boonies, my child is at college. If someone's banging on my door, it's not the Easter Bunny.

I shut my bedroom door, others don't, whatever, I do not care. Odds are, I'm not going to be the one defending you if you need it and vice versa, think it through and do what works best for you.

I agree with the theory that you need to be sure of what you are shooting at, but, as with any theory, there are always exceptions. If you want to wait till you see the whites of their eyes, suit yourself, I'll shoot when I think it's appropriate.
 
We can go round and round with this. There are always exceptions to every rule. There will always be "what if" scenarios that satisfy any thought process. As an instructor, I'm not going to teach to shoot through the door. If I do, I'll open myself to professional liability.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't know all the laws in every state. Even so, I'll stick with the simple gun safety rule of know your target. Everyone has to draw that line that they won't go past. For me, I'm not shooting through a door and I'm not counseling anyone in that direction either.

Also, just because something is legal, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. In Texas you can shoot someone who is stealing your car. I don't think I'd do that, but it is legal in Texas.
 
Door open

Interesting that a fire fighter would say that.

I have always been taught that the doors to bedroom should be shut to stop the spread of smoke in a house fire.

And since there's a higher likelyhood of fire than burglary I sleep with the door shut
 

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