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And don't forget the phrase "includes but not limited to..."
Of course reloading supplies will be included.
Cal44
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Right, but according to this law, that would be a felony.
Buying in AZ isn't illegal, but importing it back to CA is.
I'm lucky to have a second home is Phoenix, so that is my bolt hole if CA gets too bad. (I grew up in Phoenix)
I also have 100 relatives of my wife, two sons, and 5 grand kids in CA so, for now, moving isn't on the table.
Shooting is an important hobby to me, but it's not my whole life.
Plus, I'm lucky enough to have a CA concealed carry license, and if I move to AZ, I'd have to give it up. So from a CCW point of view, I'm better off living in CA.
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Beemer-mark
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You can ship the antique through USPS. You have to tell me how the State will know what you ship in a package.
This is why gun control laws work. No matter how stupid, no matter how unenforceable, most law abiding gun owners will bend over backwards to obey.
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Out of this whole thread, not one person mentioned what the OP should do when it comes time to vote.
The OP should vote NO to the proposition and try to raise as much awareness and support against it as he can.
If all you do is sit back and complain, of course it will pass. You have to do your part in order to try and shut it down. You may be outnumbered, but you still have to try. Resort to social media, hang signs in your yard, attend meetings with like minded individuals and see if there are any movements you can start, etc.
I have been trying to raise all kinds of awareness here in PA about the criminal running for office. The SC justice the president gets to pick is going to be huge. Not to mention all the precedence Ubama made with his pen signature. Much more of that will follow if everyone chooses blue. She has already been confirmed on wanting total gun elimination. The next 4 years are going to be worst than Bush.
The OP should vote NO to the proposition and try to raise as much awareness and support against it as he can.
If all you do is sit back and complain, of course it will pass. You have to do your part in order to try and shut it down. You may be outnumbered, but you still have to try. Resort to social media, hang signs in your yard, attend meetings with like minded individuals and see if there are any movements you can start, etc.
I have been trying to raise all kinds of awareness here in PA about the criminal running for office. The SC justice the president gets to pick is going to be huge. Not to mention all the precedence Ubama made with his pen signature. Much more of that will follow if everyone chooses blue. She has already been confirmed on wanting total gun elimination. The next 4 years are going to be worst than Bush.
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Cal44
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calguns is a CA gun owners organization and they are working hard to raise awareness of these bills.
calguns.net is a forum they run for California gun owners (all are welcome) that has more members than this one.
So they are an active lobbying group.
Terrible Minds Think Alike
New York State also suffered knee-jerk legislation following the Sandy-Hook CT. Massacre. We too are unable to buy ammo out of state unless shipped through an FFL. All gun transfers, even between close relatives, must also go through an FFL.
I did hear that the state is softening its position somewhat but I haven't yet checked. Perhaps there's hope for CA.
New York State also suffered knee-jerk legislation following the Sandy-Hook CT. Massacre. We too are unable to buy ammo out of state unless shipped through an FFL. All gun transfers, even between close relatives, must also go through an FFL.
I did hear that the state is softening its position somewhat but I haven't yet checked. Perhaps there's hope for CA.
Don't panic. It is in many ways not quite as bad as you fear, though in some ways it's worse...
The governor of CA already signed into law a raft of restrictive measures an few months ago, this measure will alter the effect of those measures.
Just to sum up a few points of the *existing* law:
The ammunition restriction doesn't start right away, with stages coming in at the start of 2018 but doesn't take full effect until the middle of that year. Prop 63 will accelerate this process by having the whole thing in place by the beginning of 2018.
It will be illegal to bring more than 50 rounds of ammunition across the border without proper paperwork. You can still sell ammunition to a friend, same 50 round limit.
As to reloading components, I understand why people are confused, section 16150 has two definitions of ammunition. One is only a loaded round and the other is anything that even resembles gun-type stuff. Only the first is subject to the background check, the second is a prohibition on selling anything gun-related to anyone you know-or suspect to be shady. It's pretty slippery-slope but it shouldn't stop reloading components from being mail-order.
I myself think people are glossing over a few of the more disturbing parts of the law. I do wish people would read laws before commenting on what may or may not come to pass so here you go:
California Proposition 63 The Safety for All Act of 2016 - The Voter's Self Defense System - Vote Smart
or the PDF
http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/SafetyForAllActFinal.pdf
The governor of CA already signed into law a raft of restrictive measures an few months ago, this measure will alter the effect of those measures.
Just to sum up a few points of the *existing* law:
The ammunition restriction doesn't start right away, with stages coming in at the start of 2018 but doesn't take full effect until the middle of that year. Prop 63 will accelerate this process by having the whole thing in place by the beginning of 2018.
It will be illegal to bring more than 50 rounds of ammunition across the border without proper paperwork. You can still sell ammunition to a friend, same 50 round limit.
As to reloading components, I understand why people are confused, section 16150 has two definitions of ammunition. One is only a loaded round and the other is anything that even resembles gun-type stuff. Only the first is subject to the background check, the second is a prohibition on selling anything gun-related to anyone you know-or suspect to be shady. It's pretty slippery-slope but it shouldn't stop reloading components from being mail-order.
I myself think people are glossing over a few of the more disturbing parts of the law. I do wish people would read laws before commenting on what may or may not come to pass so here you go:
California Proposition 63 The Safety for All Act of 2016 - The Voter's Self Defense System - Vote Smart
or the PDF
http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/SafetyForAllActFinal.pdf
I read through the proposition, and I have to politely disagree with any summation that it's no big deal. We have judges in this state that will declare otherwise, they have overturned overwhelmingly approved propositions before, and interpreted others well beyond their intent. And what a coincidence that the most onerous parts of the intended law will take place right after our next gubernatorial election, where Gavin "Nuisance", a sponsor and supporter of the latest impingement on our 2nd amendment rights is predicted to be the front runner of that contest.
Like it or not, at some point, sooner for some... later for others, most of us are going to have to ask ourselves the question: At what point is too far too far?
The natural inclination of honest American gunowners is to obey the gun laws no matter how silly, absurd, dangerous or even unconstitutional they may be. As you say, we bend over backwards to do so... and the grabbers know that and take full advantage of that to hurt us as much as they can with no adverse consequences. CT and NY showed that there is a point beyond which some people can't be pushed... and the grabbers were shocked and didn't know what to do about it.
Here in MA, the AG unilaterally changed existing gun law to make untold thousands of us into instant, retroactive "Felons-in-Waiting"!
How do you think that went down? You obey the law to the very last letter for decades... and still you end up a Felon in the eyes of a rabidly anti-2A AG. 
What is one supposed to do in a situation like that? Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
The grabbers love it. 
Fishslayer
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They've already tried & they'll be back. Reloaders are no longer under their radar. Look for a hefty "public safety tax" on bullets and exorbitant fees & restrictions on "explosive items" like powder & primers.
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Fishslayer
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Los Angeles outlawed standard capacity magazines last year. Not sure if it's true but supposedly zero people have shown up to turn in their magazines to the proper authorities.
Next year the mags will be illegal statewide. We shall see...
This part of the "safety act" really made me look twice..."Prohibits persons convicted of stealing a firearm from possessing firearms."
Gee, a gun thief convicted under the new restrictions won't be able to possess a gun legally...like he already has done and was convicted for. That will make him think twice before he steals again! Right now polling has this measure passing 60-40. People in this state are either stupid, lazy, complacent, or too much into feeling good about themselves to consider consequences down the road, that only affect "the other guy." Pardon me, have to go order some more ammo on-line.
Gee, a gun thief convicted under the new restrictions won't be able to possess a gun legally...like he already has done and was convicted for. That will make him think twice before he steals again! Right now polling has this measure passing 60-40. People in this state are either stupid, lazy, complacent, or too much into feeling good about themselves to consider consequences down the road, that only affect "the other guy." Pardon me, have to go order some more ammo on-line.
That sounds a little like waiting until your house is on fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher. At this point in history, having a 90 day supply of food, medicine and ammo on hand is just common sense. To me.
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