Hornady Critical Defense or Duty for Home Defense In FS M&P9? .. OR SOMETHING ELSE???

Ya I plan ordering some UMC, PCM, Etc. for target shooting ... but ya, if you are talking about using that for SD, it's not really what most would say to use.

That ammo is really the ammo shooters go through thousands of on a daily basis for target practice.

I was inquiring more for Home Defense Rounds ... these are not in that category.

I am sure a couple of these plugged in a bad guy will do the trick, I just prefer something Meant for SD with large expansion and meant to inflict more damage then a standard target round.

Thats why those rounds are 30 cents per round on average as opposed to the SD rounds that really run in around a $1 a shot.

I am new to this so I could be wrong on same aspects but I just prefer the best while sitting next me at night is all.
 
Don't know why you say that, they test out more than adequate. That's why I posted the video. Higher price doesn't always mean better. Caution if you pick some up. I've not seen the JHP in Cabelas, .... ONLY in Walmart. These are NOT the MC in the same green/white box or FMJ (yellow bulk box).

Do some research before you dump $1+ a round. If the higher cost makes you feel better, get it.

falconman515 said:
Ya I plan ordering some UMC, PCM, Etc. for target shooting ... but ya, if you are talking about using that for SD, it's not really what most would say to use.

That ammo is really the ammo shooters go through thousands of on a daily basis for target practice.

I was inquiring more for Home Defense Rounds ... these are not in that category.

I am sure a couple of these plugged in a bad guy will do the trick, I just prefer something Meant for SD with large expansion and meant to inflict more damage then a standard target round.

Thats why those rounds are 30 cents per round on average as opposed to the SD rounds that really run in around a $1 a shot.

I am new to this so I could be wrong on same aspects but I just prefer the best while sitting next me at night is all.
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I replied without watching the video.

Interesting ... I'm gonna have to keep an out for these at Wally World I think.

Curious what others have to say about these?

Would be good to practice a bit with what I will defend myself with to make sure I'm accurate with the round and it cycles perfect through my firearm.

Great info
 
falconman515 said:
I'm shooting a 9mm to defend myself and not a .45 with the hard-core knock down power ... [/B]
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Knockdown/stopping power is a myth. The incapacitation effect of any quality handgun round is dependent upon bullet placement.

Medical examiners can't tell the difference in wound channels between the various calibers, the differences between bullet designs in quality ammunition is insignificant.

Practice and place you shots well.
 
Why would you load your weapon with ammunition specifically designed to penetrate barriers such as interior walls, for use inside your house? Do you keep slugs in your home defense shotgun?
 
Badge130 said:
Why would you load your weapon with ammunition specifically designed to penetrate barriers such as interior walls, for use inside your house? Do you keep slugs in your home defense shotgun?
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What handgun ammo doesn't penetrate sheetrock walls and other common building material? You use Glaser? Barrier blind ammo isn't designed to increase barrier penetration. It's designed to maintain integrity after passing through a barrier. And that barrier of concern is usually a windshield which is very hard on a bullet. I doubt there much difference at all through sheetrock and doors. If you're buying "standard" ammo because you think it's safer you're buying false security. You can go to box of truth and watch common bullets against wallboard, doors, etc.
 
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hatt said:
Civilian defense encounters are similar to police defense encounters. Same streets, same criminals. I see no reason to prepare for the most favorable scenario when it's just as easy to have additional capability.
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In many cases, the "top-tier" self defense rounds perform equally well in bare gel/4 layer denim/plywood/sheetrock/steel/glass. In the case of the OP's question, where he was choosing between Critical Defense and Critical Duty, he was better served with the former due to its better expansion characteristics. Sure, I could've recommended Gold Dots or Ranger-Ts or HSTs, but he specifically asked about the two Hornady loads.

hatt said:
Now if the premium ammo was the same price or even lower(due to 50 round boxes), as in the case of the handgun ammo being discussed here, I'd certainly take the better ammo. I'm just about to break this habit since quality bonded .223 ammo is becoming so widely available. May as well get with the times.
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Unfortunately, such is not the case. I've only seen LE "barrier blind" loads sold in 20-rd boxes, and often at prices of $1 per round or more. Winchester RA556B for example sells for $1.65/rd. at SGAmmo, and their prices are typically pretty reasonable.
 
"as in the case of the handgun ammo being discussed here"
Clearly the 50 round boxes were handgun ammo.
 
hatt said:
"as in the case of the handgun ammo being discussed here"
Clearly the 50 round boxes were handgun ammo.
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Indeed. Just sharing my sentiments and what I've seen as far as pricing goes.
 
It's all very confusing. Even the experts have different opinions. Many of the opinions given here are very valid. Really, how much better is one than the other. If it makes you feel more comfortable in your choice, got to YOU TUBE and watch videos on various ballistics tests. Most test with ballistics jell and denim to simulate a dressed person. They all show penetration, cavity size and expansion. Pick one.
 
Law enforcement gunfights are often in and around vehicles. So they compromise a little with penetration. For civilian use I like the bullets that expand faster for less penetration. So I would say the Critical Defense rounds. I use the CorBon 115 gr load as penetration is limited.

You should shoot at least 50 rounds, better 100, of any self defense ammo you want to depend on.
 
IMO these are all such academic discussions about the right bullet and treat every agency as though it were the middle of Detroit. I'd like to see what choices would be made if the ammunition weren't bought and paid for with MY money.

There is no doubt that these are good products but do you have to have the Lamborghini to head to the grocery store? Sure, if someone else is paying!

I live in the DFW area and can't remember any of the "shootout" scenarios that are referenced. In fact, it appears that most LEO involved shootings are suburban and MANY seem to lean a bit over to the excessive force side. We've had people shot and killed on their own properties for wielding a screw driver at 30 feet or other similar scenarios. I'm not trying to minimize the fact that bad situations happen but, LEO isn't in many top ten dangerous jobs list. I have multiple co-workers with a spouse in LEO. They'll tell you privately that very few of their peers should be carrying a weapon!!!! Again, LEO is a tough job but I think it's time to de-militarize their tactics. I mean really, does every gated community suburb need armored SWAT vehicles and separate squads :)

So, back on topic, ... get something that functions well, what makes you feel good, what you can practice with, and what you can afford.

Nations 10 most dangerous jobs - CBS News

America's 10 Deadliest Jobs - Forbes

ironhead7544 said:
Law enforcement gunfights are often in and around vehicles. So they compromise a little with penetration. For civilian use I like the bullets that expand faster for less penetration. So I would say the Critical Defense rounds. I use the CorBon 115 gr load as penetration is limited.

You should shoot at least 50 rounds, better 100, of any self defense ammo you want to depend on.
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look at You Tube for a video on Winchester 9mm STX. Note how it expands. Very impressive and ugly.
 
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After reading many threads and some pertaining to the M&P in general I am not to sure about this Hornaday Product in my M&P9 ... seems there have been issue with jamming and failed to feed etc.

Tossing around just finding a standard JHP round for SD like stated above. Still pricey for some though.

Seems I read a lot of good about Speer Gold Dot in M&P's as well ... Also Tons of good reviews and threads about Federal 124g+P HST (or even the Hydra-Shok reviews very good as well)... any thoughts on there???

I have since pulled the Hornaday CD from my shopping cart and will continue to research .,.. just bought some basic target rounds for now.

Any other thoughts in what shoots best in your M&P FS, Pro or CORE?
 
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I've got Remington Golden Sabres in my 1911 and they have fed completely flawless so far and thats what I keep loaded up for HD. I think theres several options that you can't go wrong with and will do the job... Not just Hornady, or just Gold dots, or whatever. No need to over-think it in my opinion.
 
These aren't cheap ... I'm just trying to figure the best ones with least issues etc.
I can't afford to try out a few boxes of this type of ammo is all but I want a solid SD round when sitting next to my bed.

I think from what I read the most often recommended SD round seems to be the Speer Gold Dot +P
I may just pay the slight extra and go with these and hope they feed and work perfect.
 
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