Hot rodding the 45 Colt

[Skip Sackett]

I expect it came from Guns & Ammo back when Elmer was an Editor there. Don't know for sure and the fact there isn't a "©" on it anywhere, it would just be chasing your tail to try to find out when it was written and such.


Since the writer is dead, not sure what needs to be done either. Have an email into G&A but they seem a bunch more 'phisticated than Wolfe is. Not near so down to earth and friendly.

If I hear something though, I'll be sure to post first!

(Now where is that ignore button! )

 

[Paul5388]

I thought I remembered where it came from, but it wasn't there when I looked for it.

The originator of the image is now deceased, so I can't ask him either.

I don't think it came directly from G&A, even though it mentions Elmer being the G&A Editor.

There seem to be quite a few relatively new books that are part of the public domain, like Phil Sharpe's 1953 edition of "Complete Guide to Handloading".

I just looked recently, like today, for a price for Elmer's "Sixguns". The cheapest I saw was $65 + shipping, which is pretty high for a $20 book (Midway had them advertised at that price a couple of years ago)! Unless there's another reprint, or if an electronic version isn't made available, the information will soon be lost to the younger generation of shooters.

I have a hard copy of both books I mentioned, but how long will that still be an option?

 

[canoe on the yukon]

Paul,

I suppose this is normal for us older guys.I am no book collecter of any serious sort but I've got many books which date back quite a ways.Replacing them would be nearly impossible.Once the market/demand is gone,there is no longer a reason for anyone to print anew.I can recall a good many which I've given away over the years.Seems kind of sad.Sorry for the thread drift.Just an old guy reflecting here.

 

[ddixie884]

In the 1961 reprint of SIXGUNS, there is an update page with .44 mag and other info. I don't have my copy handy, but do remember that.

 

[Paul5388]

I suppose you're right canoe, but I had the book at hand and it just wasn't in that book.

If I remember correctly, it has always been permissible to quote short sections of a book or article. What hasn't been OK is essentially the entire work being reproduced. The quote should also be notated on the source and etc.

 

[Gun 4 Fun]

Paul,
not according to what the man I talked to at Wolfe Publishing said yesterday, and what I found online about copyright. Any, and all material is the property of the original publisher. There is no time limit on it either, from what I read, and today it doesn't even need to say copyrighted, or have the little c inside the circle. It is automatically considered copyrighted by the court when printed by the orignal author/publisher. He did say that it is alright to post loads from their magazine though, just not the entire article, let alone the entire magazine issue.


My main reason for asking about the Keith loads page isn't because of whether or not it is copyrighted. I have seen that printed for years, but have never known exactly where it came from, or which book of Keith's it is in, or if it was ever in a book. Maybe it was just something he wrote up for an article in a gun magazine?

 

[Paul5388]

Bruce,

It didn't come from one of his books. I think it was from a RCBS publication, but it wasn't their Cast Bullet Manual #1.

That particular information was printed somewhere around 1980, not too long before Elmer died.

# Anything copyrighted prior to 1923 is in the public domain. (Practically speaking, this includes anything published prior to 1923, since publication without copyright put the work straight into the public domain. But note this possible exception in some western states for some 1909-1922 foreign works that were not published in the US before 1923.) Due to a 20-year copyright extension enacted in the US in 1998, copyrights from 1923 or later that are still in force will stay in effect through 2018 or longer.
# Certain works copyrighted in 1923 or later may already have entered the public domain. In particular, works published in the US before 1989 without proper copyright notice, and works published in the US before 1964 whose copyrights were not renewed, may have entered the public domain. However, works from 1923 or later that were originally published in countries outside the US may still be copyrighted regardless of whether they were printed with proper notice or renewed

According to Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976, when considering whether or not the reproduction of copyrighted materials would be considered fair use, four factors must be considered:


* the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
* the nature of the copyrighted work (e.g., fiction vs. non-fiction, published vs. non-published, etc.);
* the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
* the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work

I should have added this, without "fair use" all of the "research" papers done in high school and college would be in violation of copyright laws. That is not the case and short quotes are permissible with the proper notation of the quote's origin.

 

[Gun 4 Fun]

Thanks Paul!

That is very helpful.