House Bill: Disarm the IRS Act

[StakeOut]

It has been reported that the IRS has purchased over $725,000 worth of ammunition so far this year and has purchased over 11 million in ammunition during the past 10 years.
Along with the 11 million in ammunition it's also been reported that the IRS also purchased over 4,400 firearms during the 10 year period.

A House Bill has been introduced by Rep Matt Gaetz of Florida to prohibit the Internal Revenue Service and(a few) other agencies that have little to no need for large amounts of ammo and firearms from acquiring, by purchase or otherwise, any ammunition after the bill's enactment with U.S. Reps. Jeff Duncan, R-SC, Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., and Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., are co-sponsoring the bill which was sent to the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee.

A 2018 report by the Government Accountability Office showed. Heading into 2018, the IRS had 4,487 guns and 5,062,006 rounds of ammunition in its inventory.

It's time to contact your Representatives to support this measure to stop this infringement of 2nd Amendment that makes ammo more expensive and harder to find.

Please move if in wrong forum.

 

[petepeterson]

"Political power flows from the barrel of a gun."

-Some small-time wannabe dictator

 

[Diablo982]

It has been reported that the IRS has purchased over $725,000 worth of ammunition so far this year and has purchased over 11 million in ammunition during the past 10 years.
Along with the 11 million in ammunition it's also been reported that the IRS also purchased over 4,400 firearms during the 10 year period.

A House Bill has been introduced by Rep Matt Gaetz of Florida to prohibit the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies from acquiring, by purchase or otherwise, any ammunition after the bill's enactment with U.S. Reps. Jeff Duncan, R-SC, Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., and Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., are co-sponsoring the bill which was sent to the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee.

A 2018 report by the Government Accountability Office showed. Heading into 2018, the IRS had 4,487 guns and 5,062,006 rounds of ammunition in its inventory.

It's time to contact your Representatives to support this measure to stop this infringement of 2nd Amendment that makes ammo more expensive and harder to find.

Please move if in wrong forum.

One of the dumbest bills introduced this session.

 

[swsig]

A House Bill has been introduced by Rep Matt Gaetz of Florida to prohibit the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies from acquiring, by purchase or otherwise, any ammunition after the bill's enactment with U.S. Reps. Jeff Duncan, R-SC, Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., and Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., are co-sponsoring the bill which was sent to the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee.

I wonder what "other agencies" are intended. The FBI? The Secret Service? The Department of Defense? I'll guess that there are government lawyers that can make the argument that Feds have the right to bear arms and buy ammo, too.

Given the list of sponsors, I'd comment on this bill's likelihood of passage, but I'd better quit while I'm ahead.

 

[StakeOut]

One of the dumbest bills introduced this session.

Please expand on your comment since there is little substance to it.

I would imagine that like the IRS there are other federal agencies that have little to no need to stock pile ammo and firearms but hold some in inventory.

This has zero to do with agencies that have a need for such appropriations like the FBI,Secret Service,Homeland Security,ATF etc.

 

[biku324]

They have arrest authority. They should continue to be armed.

 

[RCL-09]

Please expand on your comment since there is little substance to it.

I would imagine that like the IRS there are other federal agencies that have little to no need to stock pile ammo and firearms but hold some in inventory.

This has zero to do with agencies that have a need for such appropriations like the FBI,Secret Service,Homeland Security,ATF etc.

They are stockpiling ammunition and firearms?

Could you cite a source for that?

 

[RCL-09]

They have arrest authority. They should continue to be armed.

WHAT?! Law enforcement Officers be ARMED?!

That's crazy!

sarcasm

 

[RCL-09]

Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) is the United States federal law enforcement agency responsible for investigating potential criminal violations of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code and related financial crimes, such as money laundering, currency violations, tax-related identity theft fraud, and terrorist financing that adversely affect tax administration.

IRS Criminal Investigation - Wikipedia

There are over 2,200 Special Agents.

 

[John Patrick]

One of the dumbest bills introduced this session.

It's about 20% over 1,000 rounds per gun. That doesn't seem excessive.

Whether more than 4,000 guns is reasonable, I don't know. It seems excessive, but I have met with armed IRS agents when I found and reported a tax cheat.

 

[John Patrick]

Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) is the United States federal law enforcement agency responsible for investigating potential criminal violations of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code and related financial crimes, such as money laundering, currency violations, tax-related identity theft fraud, and terrorist financing that adversely affect tax administration.

IRS Criminal Investigation - Wikipedia

There are over 2,200 Special Agents.

The reported number of firearms is 2x armed agents. Reasonable?

 

[sigp220.45]

IRS Agents are issued handguns and long guns. They've been armed and making arrests since before Capone.

2200 Agents training and qualifying 4 times a year will use about 2 million rounds.

Typically ammo contracts are multi-year affairs. A five year contact would be 10 million rounds (at least) at a whack. They typically don't get it all at once.

I doubt much is stockpiled.

 

[444 Magnum]

It's about 20% over 1,000 rounds per gun.

I have met with armed IRS agents when I found and reported a tax cheat.

Also known as 1,200 if my math is correct.

Did they pay you the advertised reward?

 

[RCL-09]

The reported number of firearms is 2x armed agents. Reasonable?

Yes, it is.

 

[teletech]

The reported number of firearms is 2x armed agents. Reasonable?

Duty gun, backup gun, and a long gun in the trunk, plus some at the armorer's shop... 2X seems a little light to me!
If I was in a public trust where I carried a firearm, I'd want more than 1K rounds/year of practice, *way* more if I had subguns or other stuff with a giggle-switch.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Where's Elliott Ness when you need him . . . ?

 

[John Patrick]

Also known as 1,200 if my math is correct.

Did they pay you the advertised reward?

Eh, 1,000 rounds is the often recommended stash. Not 1,200, not 800, but 1,000.

There was some resistance, by the agents, to the notion that the **** was a tax cheat. Probably because of the relative complexity. I declined the reward to hammer home the fact that it was an obvious case of criminal tax cheating, even if dealing with some not so typical circumstances.

The 10% would have been about $5,000 in 1983ish dollars. It was a lot more important that the **** was held accountable for stealing (and not reporting the stolen goods and services as income) than the $s to me. FWIW, the county prosecutor plead him down to a misdemeanor. But the IRS pursued him so well he committed suicide by car, driving solo into a tree. Unfortunately, his wife, as guilty a *** as he was, collected on his life insurance.

I chalked up the issue as a win, despite his *** wife collecting the insurance.

No theft from the company after his suicide, wonder why?

 

[DWalt]

There are very few government agencies which do not have some armed security or law enforcement personnel on their organization charts. Even those agencies no one has ever heard of. I have seen them all at FLETC. At one time, and maybe still, FLETC had a large IDIQ contract for ammunition that many federal agencies purchased off of. I bought some special purpose ammo using that contract when I was working for the USAF. It was even available to ordinary civilian LE agencies, I don't know how many used it.

 

[K Frame Keith]

Ok, now let's talk about the Department of Education. Same arguments?

 

[RCL-09]

Ok, now let's talk about the Department of Education. Same arguments?

Unless you are calling for the disarming of law enforcement, yes.

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