How do you get this so wrong??

At first I wondered if I might be hijacking a thread, but then considered the question/subject, "How do you get this so wrong?"

Though it's not as bad these days I'm old enough to remember "planned obsolescence". For those not familiar with the term it was a 'little known' "official" policy (secrets like that never stay unknown for long) that the marketing geniuses for the big auto makers came up with to guarantee future sales in a timely manner.

Basically, they designed things so that just before or about the time you got your buggy paid for, everything about it was so obsolete that it made more sense to buy a new one instead of trying to keep the old thing running.

Back to my point . . . I understand the need for different wheel sizes as the engineering evolves to consider vehicle speeds, weight, size, braking capacity and such, but one of the things that always ticked me off and continues to (should this be in the 'pet peeve section' ?:D) is proprietary lug patterns on brands.

The ONE and ONLY reason lug patterns vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and are not standardized is so you HAVE to buy THEIR special pattern wheels. The money made off this arbitrary silliness is obscene. The concept is totally unnecessary. Any inconvenience or initial design cost to a manufacturer to accommodate standard patterns would be negligible. Overall costs would be reduced, inventories would not have to as voluminous and the consumer would benefit.

One can argue all day (and gear heads do) about the efficacy of the design of certain brands and the thousands of parts that make up an automobile - whose is better? Chevy? Ford? Mopar? Toyaota? on and on infinitum . . . . All of us tend to have our preferences based on what we like and what historically we believe has given us value and service. But come on . . . who thinks we really need the design of such things as could easily be standardized to be changed in the engineering every time a new model comes out? Get real . . .

Won't mention the brand because the inevitable "war stories" pro and con will result to further derail the OP's thread. But one brand loved and staunchly defended by bunches of folks has never worked for me. I know people love them . . . would drive/buy nothing else. But in my years I had a few of them, and every one I got was a lemon. So I bought their competitor's models instead which happened to work for me. Brand loyalty - another subject for numerous threads (gee, on the SMITH & WESSON forum ? :D:p) and books written on the subject.

But as to the question, "How do you get this so wrong?" I feel I may be on to at least a partial reason for such happening.
 
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Why is it happening? The students who are products of the current school system where participation is rewarded, "feel good" subjects are favored over math and science and critical thinking is not a subject are now entering the work force. We are now reaping the results of the wonder current education system.
 
Hummmm, maybe they should do like Dodge did wayback…..

That came to my mind right away, also. How many garages made a couple bucks putting "righty-tightie, lefty-loosie" lugs on the side that were threaded backwards?
Also, wasn't there a problem with Ramblers' wheels falling off? I thought I remembered something like that, maybe?
I have a 2nd cousin (Dad's cousin) who learned why Ralph Nader was trying to get the Chevy Corvairs off the road when he took on a utility pole head-on. The pole won that fight!
 
"Why is it happening? The students who are products of the current school system where participation is rewarded, "feel good" subjects are favored over math and science and critical thinking is not a subject are now entering the work force. We are now reaping the results of the wonder current education system."

To those that bash the current education system, and there are many problems that require repair, do you realize that the students, teachers, administrators and lawmakers are your descendants?
 
I believe the engineers blame that stuff on "gremlins". Heretofore unknown forces caused by the angle of the dangle and the maxis of the axis combined at certain speeds and turning radiuses. It's hard to identify every force and stress, and combinations thereof, that every part endures.
 
I suspect the answer is going to be something as simple as the bolt or wheel manufacturer being given the wrong taper specs. Either that or one of those components was manufactured incorrectly when production started. I cannot think of another way to foul this up.
 
Long ago when I was 15 or so we had a ‘68 coronet wagon with a flat left rear tire. Pa told me to change it for ma. So I did. That first nut was tight! So I used a cheater bar and sheared that sucker right off. Pa was thrilled 😂
(It was a lefty tighty -who knew?)
 
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Long ago when I was 15 or so we had a ‘68 coronet wagon with a flat left rear tire. Pa told me to change it for ma. So I did. That nut was tight! So I used a cheater bar and sheared that sucker right off. Pa was thrilled 😂
(It was a lefty tightly-who knew?)

In their infinite wisdom, the Russians made the screws on the barrel bands of the original M91 rifles with left hand threads. I know for sure that many got broken an hour after the excited new owner got back from Big 5. :(
 
I wrestled with a couple of those way back when. I still never figured out what Chrysler was thinking when they came up with that. As annoying as when VW decided to use wheel studs and not put studs on the hubs and use lug nuts.

Long ago when I was 15 or so we had a ‘68 coronet wagon with a flat left rear tire. Pa told me to change it for ma. So I did. That nut was tight! So I used a cheater bar and sheared that sucker right off. Pa was thrilled 😂
(It was a lefty tightly-who knew?)
 
John Deere does the wheel bolt thing too. 'Nother reason to avoid fruit colored tractors.

While wrong specs might be the issue, I expect the issue with the lug bolts will come down to the bean counters. Someone found a source of them that was cheaper or maybe someone took some "consideration" to use another vendor.
 
I wrestled with a couple of those way back when. I still never figured out what Chrysler was thinking when they came up with that. As annoying as when VW decided to use wheel studs and not put studs on the hubs and use lug nuts.

Left handed threads on the left lug bolts goes back to the days of horse drawn vehicles.
 
Lots of tractors have bolt on rims. Had to replace mine last year that were rusting through. Just unbolt and replace outer rim, a lot cheaper than buying an entire large tractor wheel.
 
The lug bolts and nuts were probably made of "Chinesium" steel alloy. I've had some of their twist drills untwist when trying to drill something.
 
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Toyota has declared the electric car a bad idea.
They are bad for Toyota's business. Toyota makes more ice cars than anyone in the world today. Their business dropped 10% in 2020 and 11.4% in 2021. The trend looks bad.

The bZ4X model is Toyota's latest, horrible attempt at electric cars. One of the worst ever produced. Toyota is 10 years too late.

Most car analyst don't believe Toyota was serious about selling them. They in effect didn't want them to succeed.

On the other hand, the Japanese are unlike other car companies in that they actively engage in distorting and hiding their real plans. It's worked for them in the past. Why tell your competitors what you're doing.

This time I think they just blew it. They think, when you're number One, why change. China is going to do to them, what the Japanese did to the US car manufacturers in the 70's.

Those that aren't busy growing, are busy dying.


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Because the bean counters take the lowest bid, and quality control was eliminated by the same bean counters several years ago. Warranty claims exceed projections, so parts failures are blamed on engineering, engineering is then subbed out to better engineers in India, for 1/3 of the cost. Ivory Tower dwellers slap each other on the back and collect a bonus. And this is Toyota, the last bastion of quality.
 
Most car analyst don't believe Toyota was serious about selling them. They in effect didn't want them to succeed.

When you make hybrid vehicles successfully, why do you want to mess with electric cars that require a whole lot more in terms of expensive materials and when the Federal rebate is about to go away. Besides, nobody outside the LA basin is going to buy one out here. The electric cars do nothing except boost your blood pressure with range anxiety.

There was a story going around recently where a guy who had a Tesla Boost station at his location disconnected it after Elon didn't pay him for several months. He was in Cedar City near I-15, IIRC. Now, I want all of you who live in midwest counties the size of a football field to get out a map and look how far that is from anywhere else that might have a charging station. Yeah, oops.
 
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