How Good Are Your Firearms Records?

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Two months ago I would have told you mine are excellent. Three drug addicts broke into our home and convinced me my records were terrible. I cannot go into major details because this will be going to trial, but I can tell you about the lessons I learned. My records were terrible, but the police were pleased with them because my records were 90% better than most they see. Here are the problems I found with my records:

1) My primary records storage was on my computer. I did have an electronic back up, but no paper back up. Had my computer been stolen or damaged I would not have been able to immediately provide serial numbers and descriptions to the police.

2) My electronic records were not as infallible as I thought. In at least one instance, a serial number had not been saved or had been inadvertently deleted. I believe this was a computer issue because 5 weeks after the theft, my computer mother board died (other unusual items had also occurred with the computer).

3) My photos were woefully inadequate. I now have a minimum of 4 close up photos of each firearm (left side, right side, top, and bottom). I also have added photos of any unique identifying marks. These photos are stored both electronically and as hard copies.

4) My lack of hard copy records and copies to provide the police slowed their investigation down by 24 hours. This does not seem like much, but I soon discovered that the faster you get the information out to other police agencies the faster you get action. I now have 3 hard copies. One for my records, one to provide to the police immediately, and a 3rd copy stored in my safety deposit box. My intention is to update the copy in my safety deposit box annually at tax time.

5) Some of my paper records (sales recipes/invoices) were stored very near my firearms. In my case some of the receipts were damaged/destroyed because the thieves knocked over and broke a bottle of cleaning solvent.

6) Several of my pistols were stolen without the magazines. Inadvertently this aided the police in locating them. I now store all of my semi-autos without magazines and I keep all the magazines locked in a separate cabinet.

7) I had no surveillance system. I have since added a stand-alone camera with a 30 day memory card (it overwrites on day 31). For less than $200, I could have had pictures of the thieves in the act.


My tale of woe has a reasonably happy ending. The thieves are in jail and 75% of my stolen property is in police evidence lockers, but the police tell me this is not the norm. They were very successful in recovering my property because I had mediocre records. If I had better records and would have had them available immediately they may have been able to have even greater success.

I sincerely hope you never need any of this information, but please be a better record keeper than I was. Make sure you can help the police help you if the need arises.
 
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Sorry to hear that. Please search the threads about home security.

Alarms and cameras are nice. But keeping them out is more important.

The phrase "if they really want to get in...." Is baloney. They can be stopped.

I work in the security industry. I see and hear your type of story almost everyday. Especially during the holidays.
 
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I have an excel spreadsheet with all the important info stored on my hard drive, on a flash drive and on my ISP file storage. They all get updated whenever the spreadsheet is edited, it only takes a few minutes...
 
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Were your firearms in a safe? The reason I'm asking is usually crackhead scumbags won't try to break into a safe as they are looking for anything that can be stolen quickly.I've been broken into twice and they did'nt touch the safe. TV's and computers and a bedside Taurus were taken.When the deputy came out ,his exact words were "shoot them if you can,we're tired of locking them up".Probably not the most legal advice in the world,but would'nt you just love to catch them in the act. Of course,nothing was ever recovered.
 
I would say ours are pretty good.

Photos, paper inventory and backed up on cd and flash drives. Several copies.

We only had one attempted break in. The wife worked 7-3 shift and I worked 3-11. So there was a about a hour and a half window that no one was around the house.

One of the local nitwits must have known this. He entered through the basement Bilco door.

When the missus got home she noticed a chunk of blue jeans laying in the driveway at the back of the house where she parked her car. The basement door was wide open. There was an amount of blood on the driveway.

Long story short, our 110 lb Boxer was sleeping in the family room in the basement when this kid came in.

The part of his jeans was matched up with him at the hospital as they were stiching his *** back together...:cool:

He was fast, but not THAT fast.

Good Dog! :D
 
photos and #s are at the bank in my little box also my state farm man is also a gun nut....so i also have a folder an each one ...two....keep a set at the house in fire box "a place that is Hard to get too"
 
I appreciate the comments on physical security and yes there were several things I normally do that I lasped on, but the point of the thread was my records. This was a snatch and grab executed soon after I left the room. I was working out of one of my safes and left the door open when I left the room.

My main thought was how poor my records were in relation to how good I thought they were. I have made many upgrades in my records and in my physical security.
 
Extensive photos and information database stored on my laptop, backup external drive and on my computer at work. Serial numbers are so importantat least keep those somewhere.
 
7) I had no surveillance system. I have since added a stand-alone camera with a 30 day memory card (it overwrites on day 31). For less than $200, I could have had pictures of the thieves in the act.

First, I'm glad that your story had a reasonably good outcome. Second tell us more about your camera.

I'm doing a security overhaul during some vacation time that I have coming up, and will be taking your advice on several issues. I already have an alarm system, but I'm looking to enhance my security in several other ways. My security company wants an arm and a leg for a camera system, and I'm exploring a do-it-yourself alternative.
 
I have all my pistols listed in a word document, and photos of each. After "Murphy's Law" visited me and both of my external harddrives died within days of each other, I now use Carbonite. All of my documents and photos are backed up nightly and they are accessible by my cell phone or any computer.
 
I carry two copies of important stuff like that with me. One is on the 16GB microSD in my Droid and another on a SDHC card in a USB adapter in my pocket. That's in addition to 2 or 3 other incremental backups to separate HDs at home. While cloud storage is convenient, physical security is crucial to me.
 
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I have an excel spreadsheet with all the important info stored on my hard drive, on a flash drive and on my ISP file storage. They all get updated whenever the spreadsheet is edited, it only takes a few minutes...
I have my information in an excel spreadsheet as well but haven't been able to figure out how to embed the photos into the sheet? I assume the photo becomes part of the excel file such that it becomes a standalone with all info and photos included?
 
Black Sheep's inventory record is impressive. I don't have any of the afore mentioned problems. Hard copies are what I refer to. I only go to the computer to update and add on, and then immediately hard copy for my records book.
 
Thanks for posting this as it could happen to any of us. I have a record keeping system I've been using but your post has shown me that I too need to upgrade my records. Been doing that today and all I have left is to upgrade some photos.

I really am posting to say thanks for bringing the subject up. Your post has good information and highlights some areas that I had not given much thought to - and I'm glad you came through your ordeal as well as you did. Sorry you had some loss and had to go through the suffering and the ordeal of being violated.

Best to you.

Pete
 
I assume the photo becomes part of the excel file such that it becomes a standalone with all info and photos included?

Your assumption is correct.

To embed a picture select "insert" on the toolbar, scroll down to "picture", select "from file" then find the picture you want from your computer and double click. You can also resize the picture using excel...
 
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