How much money do you think you need to retire on?

Peter M. Eick

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Idle curiosity at work here. I was contemplating retirement again and I am ignoring SS as I assume it will be gone in 7 to 10 years when I retire.

So I am looking at how much more I need to save to make it work.

So what do you think you need and what do you think you will have? This would be essentially money in the bank, retirement fund or pension. Not to include cars, houses or land type physical assets.

$100,000
$500,000
$1,000,000
$5,000,000
$10,000,000
or more?
 
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Last time I .....Retired - it cost me $640 for the pick up truck.

At this rate, thats gonna cost a wheelbarrow full of money, to get four new tires put on it in seven more years....

Giz
 
I'm just hoping i won't have to live under a bridge somewhere.
I guess i can hunt with my S&W's for sustanence.
I have a 401k but with the way things have been going with it
past 3 years it's 1 step forward 3 steps back.
I also don't hold out much hope for SS as there are too many
variables to know if it will be around when i retire. I'm only 52 so
when i do retire from my current job i figure i can catch on as a
"wallyworld" greeter and work until i die just to make ends meet.


chuck
 
The amount of money needed is situational dependent; what works for one doesn't necessarily work for other. There are some great financial calculators on the Net that allows one to enter various variables; I like the one on Money.com but many other sites work too. As for me I've been planning for some time now to hang up the cleats for good at 55 and I'm please to say I'm on target. Good luck...
 
I'm retired now, I figured I could make 5 times as much as I do and still be broke by the end of the month.
 
How long do you plan to need income? Some folks have "needs" that others don't have. I spent a lot of time analyzing myself and my "needs", car? house? food?. The reasons you retire may influence the date you retire. Much depends on where you live for housing costs. I think a million is the minimum. Future inflation will be important. My wages seemed to double every 7 years or so. I figure inflation can cause prices to double as well. I saved as much as possible, probably not enough.
 
I retired almost 24 years ago. First wife had passed the year before. Married the second time & lived in a duplex [$350] New wife did custom sewing & I did my handyman thing until SS came 5 years later. We lived OK on $1070 a month pension & side work. Now I'm alone again & getting by fine on about $2450 a month.
 
Unfortunately, it's going to take more than we've got now. Still about 5 years to go, but who knows? Dad worked until he dropped. I may too.

Out
West
 
peter,

add up your after retirement expenses..........(medical insurance in addition to medicare), utilities, food, clothing, prescription meds, travel, taxes (real estate, income, etc),entertainment, loans, etc... then add up what you will be getting from S.S. and any pensions.

any short falls will need to come from savings X the number of years you live past retirement (use 90 as an "end of the line" number)

also, there will be an inflation factor each year.

a range of $500,000 to $1,000,000 in saving/investments should provide a comfortable life style.
 
Go`s without saying what level are you satisfied with and many other factors. But fast wild estimate, I would say you want to start retirement with zero bills, house be it a mansion or shack paid for and about 400 K in your iras and 401K. Hopefully that would spinoff about 20K a year or so. It`s really not that simple as you have to draw out a certain percentage every year after 70 1/2 years old and the older you get the higher the percentage. REMEMBER THIS: If you dont, say last year you were suppose to draw out 20 K and only took out 10 K, you would be fined, penalised, taxed or whatyou want to call it $5,000s (half) of the other $10,000 you were obligated to take out and didnt! On top of that you will be taxed on the $5,000s that you never recieved that the goverment took!
 
A good rule of thumb is to figure you're gonna need at least 70% of your current income per year. That's easy to figure. Now,if you know how many more years you're gonna be around,just divide what you've got by that number. That one is a little tougher. Throw in a catastrophe or two and all bets are off.
f.t.
 
You will live on what you have, whatever that is. Since I retired for the second time two years ago, I have adjusted my standard of living to match what I get from Social Security and my investments and IRAs. The amount is about half of what I made when working, but I honestly don't see much difference in lifestyle. My house has been paid for about 10 years, and I have no other debt.

My conclusion is that I must have wasted a lot of money when I was employed. I buy fewer guns now.

Buck
 
One more thing. I would put all saveings in a roth ira. It didnt exist most my working years so I didnt. I assume you know the differance between a roth and regular 401Ks and ira`s. If you dont, say so. I will attempt to explain it in a later post if you ask.
 
Its pretty hard to say for someone else. Much depends on how you want to live, and where you live. Even more depends on what and how you eat. I personally love going out to eat. Might just be a bad habit, I don't know for sure. I do know that if I stopped eating out, buying cars, going on vacations (from what?), stopped giving my grown kids things, stopped giving my grand kids things, stopped going to gun shows, gave up reloading, stopped working on my jeeps, stopped going to antique shows and flea markets, I could get by on significantly less money. But my wife and I like doing what we do.

We took all the adult education courses offered around here on retirement, and we even took some of the self serving courses offered by local brokerages. In the end I've kept my profound distrust for anyone selling anything. That includes all forms of investments, mostly those guys are more concerned with their own current income than my welfare. But take the courses offered, with a jaundiced eye on what they say. Take it to learn, not to buy into their favorite financial vehicles. Take an assortment of them from various sources. I know, it takes time.

In the end, some investments perform so well and others so poorly, the book value you use means little. That means $1,000,000 in a loser won't be worth nearly as much as a few hundred thousand in a top performer. And don't let others ideas influence you too much. Follow your own instincts and diversify. Remember also that some would do well on a few hundred thousand, while others might really need the million or $10 million to be happy.

So the story goes back to the summer pool party I was forced to attend in 2002 and 2003. It was my wife's party for her work. It was a doctors group, and she was one of the administrators and an RN. I didn't want to go, my experience being husbands are bored to death. And I was warned in advance not to drink too much adult beverage. The women all get together and chatter like hens. The head doctor saw my suffering and demanded I sit with the 5 or 6 doctors he was with. And they were playing a game, a rich mans game. They were going around the table bragging and telling what their greatest and current investments were. It got to me. So I was honest and told them I didn't want to say because they'd all laugh. But I relented and said we'd just been buying U S Government I bonds - Savings Bonds if you pardon the obscenity. They were all in hysterics that in this day and age, with the sophisticated investments available and double digit gains, why would anyone be that stupid! :)

So the following year, in the midst of the dot com bust, I had to go back for the same annual party. I would have preferred to swim in raw sewage or muck out a stall. But wives usually win. And the same head doctor started in on me early, demanding I sit with them. So around the table they went, each bemoaning they were down 10%, or maybe 20% and the year wasn't over yet. When it came to me, the head doctor asked my how my I bonds were doing. I just said fine, kept all the "gains" of 7 or 8% last year, and they were paying the same or so this year.

I took the unorthodox approach and went my own way, against conventional wisdom. The other night I did a test/guess at what those bonds from 2000 would be paying over the next 6 months. Its looking like the compounded interest has more than doubled the value, and I'll be receiving 5.34% between May and November. Since that time I've had others scoff at what we did. I particularly liked it when the brokerage that holds our IRAs made a comment. I suggested to him he look at how poorly they had done with our money compared to how well the bonds had been doing.

Deciding on when and how to retire is a real problem these days. I had little choice due to some health problems. I got out for my own sanity, so I wouldn't die, and so I could at least enjoy some retirement. These days the only pressure I have is when my wife comes home from work and asks me what I did today. I tell her "Nothin!" Its my favorite thing to do these days.
 
The thing that most folks do not take into consideration is that the government causes inflation to make the debt that they incurred worth less in the future. My father, a chemical engineer, retired with $30,000 in the bank in 1978. He expected to live off of that and his retirement and ssn. He was exposed to asbestos at his company and did not want to join a class action suit on that. Charlie finally talked him into joining that suit and that kept him from running out of money before his death at the age of 85 from lung cancer.

The CPI is 3.5 times as much in 2012 as it was in 1978. It has gone up almost 9% since 2009.

My point is that what you may need based on what you have today may not be close to what you will need in 20 years, if you live that long.

Government generated inflation will kill the value of what you save today.
 
I'm gonna be hanging it up later this year. I crunched the numbers and figure I'm actually going to be taking home $300.00 a month more than I am now. Being that I'm doing OK on what I'm bringing home now and am able to keep my credit rating over 800 with the money at hand, this is a no-brainer. I'm still paying a mortgage that I wouldn't have been paying had I not married after the death of my first wife but I can either pay that off or pay the last five years out of my IRA that I'll have to start using. That frees up another $800 a month for a gain of $1100 a month not to go to work. I'll be 65 in December when my retirement actually will kick in. I'll be elligible for whats left of social security and medicare. I'll be able to use accumulated time to leave two or three months before December. I'm planning on working with the Sheriff's reserves and possibly the volunteer fire department some so I'll still be in touch with the things I've done for the last 43 years. Things are looking good. I'll also be writing the book.
 
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