Hydraulic Buffer?

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zip777 said:
When installed is this addition visible JaPes? If not and your buddy joins you you could do a blind study. He walks away. You either install or not. Hand him the weapon for evaluation. He takes notes. You each repeat this process a few times. That way there is no perception involved KNOWING its installed. It's only a feeling the gun gives when fired. If you limited shots to 10 per round the entire study could be done with 80 rounds...40 per shooter. 20 with and 20 without - without knowing the order.
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The only problem I see with this is the probably lack of the standard buffer *twang*
 
personally, i always hated the "twang" anyways...first time i fired an M16 in boot camp, i thought my weapon was malfunctioning, all i had ever fired before was bolt-action hunting rifles, wasn't expecting the springy sound...you get used to it though...
 
rootbrain said:
I bought one of the Endine, everyone advised against it on the M4CARBINE site, but works great for me. Cuts the recoil in half. The "bolt bounce" that is mentioned seems to be improved and muzzle rise is diminished so aquiring target for a second shot is quicker. I can see shot impact on first shot also, so it gives me a better idea of where the second shot should go.

You're right, cyclic rate on semi-auto is not an issue really. The others are, and this fixed them for me.
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Sooooo. If I add one to one of my AR's with the FAB GL-Shock stocks,my AR should feel like shooting an air rifle. :o LOL. I have been thinking about getting one to try out too. I saw a couple different ones on another web site that were really pushing them. Weren't any reviews to go by though.

Said that (first part),to get a smile outa Grover,JaPes and the rest. With all the "hoarders" getting the prices jacked up,we need a small chuckle now and then. :o Come on JaPes. The suspence is driving me crazy (no worries,short trip).
 
BadKarmaZeroSix said:
personally, i always hated the "twang" anyways...first time i fired an M16 in boot camp, i thought my weapon was malfunctioning, all i had ever fired before was bolt-action hunting rifles, wasn't expecting the springy sound...you get used to it though...
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I went from the M-14 to that "twangy pony" in late basic at Ft Lewis. And you did get use to the twang next to your cheek.
 
Lol...its amazing how u get used to it so quickly, then when u go for 5 yrs without it and fire an AR then, makes u feel like ur back in boot camp immediately...lol...so is this hydraulic buffer gonna ELIMINATE the twang, or just reduce it? Might be an added benefit to increased follow-up shot time...
 
BadKarmaZeroSix said:
Lol...its amazing how u get used to it so quickly, then when u go for 5 yrs without it and fire an AR then, makes u feel like ur back in boot camp immediately...lol...so is this hydraulic buffer gonna ELIMINATE the twang, or just reduce it? Might be an added benefit to increased follow-up shot time...
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From what I've been reading,it's actually made for heavier rifles too. But can also be used in the 5.56 and is supose to help with reduced recoil. I thought I saw a heavier one for 308.

It should help take out some of the twang,but I doubt it will remove all of it.
 
I figure the twang is because of the extra room for the spring to re-extend, kinda like shaking a slinky. If it's like I imagine, and there's not a spring, I would guess that the hydraulic buffer would have more of a whoosh..... onomatopoeia
 
I was at a local range the other week and met a guy who had just installed one. For the life of me I can't remember the brand. He offered to let me test drive a few rounds and I can say "wow, sure feels different and very nice". It wasn't that the recoils was that much less (how far down do you want it from stock anyway. But it was smoother and the twang was gone. Felt like much better control but I didn't have a whole lot of opportunity for investigation. My intial reaction was very favorable and time/budget permitting I will investigate further
 
Hmmm...i'm actually impressed how nice of a thread this has turned into...very pleased with the feedback and input, plus the best is yet to come with JaPes' upcoming review...THIS is the kind of thread that has already made this my fav online resource/forum for info and advice with my new AR...thanks guys
 
JaPes said:
I plan to get to test it out next weekend.

Tune in next week. Same Bat-time. Same Bat Channel.
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Tick tock tick tock I shall be watching the clock. :o

Just a thought. I'm wondering if there is a way to hook up a scale (like measuring trigger pull),to measure a difference that way ??? It would have to be mounted in/on a bench rest and it would need something more like a fish scale hooked to it to "catch" the pull weight. Hmmm,hook a fish scale (that has a weight catch,like for trigger pull) to the rear sling mount. Attach the other end to the bench rest and just balance the weapon enough for the pull weight... ??? It's not like it has that much kick like a 12 guage or 308. As long as it's done the same way for testing,that would be a rough guesstament as to how well it might cut down on felt recoil.

....hay,I'm just trying to burn up some time waiting for next weekend to get here. Grover is busy doing taxes and feeding their "petting zoo". :o

No worries. I trust your judgement on the felt recoil call. :o

...off to the Bat Cave,I need a cold one.
 
I myself could never get used to the twang...it always sounded like a Red Ryder to me! Thats why as soon as I could I switched out for an M60.
 
BadKarmaZeroSix said:
excellent, thanks root...that's kinda what i wanted to know, someone who had used it and actually SAW a difference...kinda new to this forum, haven't gotten my profile updated, but i'm guessing as an Army vet, you know kinda what i'm looking for (my bro is Army, i was Marine -- fun christmas dinners...lol)...do you mind me asking which version you have, as well as other improvements you may have made? mine is SW MP15T, and i'm just starting on her...she's my first actual AR
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BadKarmaZeroSix said:
quick follow-up...did you use the stock spring, or should i get a dif one when using the enidine?
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oneyeopn said:
Rootbrain...thank you very much. I wondered about this, these are on my list for this year. :D
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Sorry for the delayed response.

Other improvements, I did my own low mass trigger job and installed this hydraulic. Added RDS and reticle scope. 'Bout it for mods. I have Colt 6920.

I used the stock buffer spring, no reason to change.

There have been reported failures, but in reading them, most are a few years old. Most are people that haven't used it, but "know someone that had nothing but problems". Mines perfect on my 5.56, I suspect it would work even better with .308 or 300 blackout. Of course, not shooting much now because of ammo situation, so will be awhile before I really know how "worthy" it will be.



Rootbrain
 
oneyeopn said:
I myself could never get used to the twang...it always sounded like a Red Ryder to me! Thats why as soon as I could I switched out for an M60.
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If ammo shortage continues I might have to go back to shooting a Red Ryder. I haven't shot one many many years.


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rootbrain said:
Sorry for the delayed response.

Other improvements, I did my own low mass trigger job and installed this hydraulic. Added RDS and reticle scope. 'Bout it for mods. I have Colt 6920.

I used the stock buffer spring, no reason to change.

There have been reported failures, but in reading them, most are a few years old. Most are people that haven't used it, but "know someone that had nothing but problems". Mines perfect on my 5.56, I suspect it would work even better with .308 or 300 blackout. Of course, not shooting much now because of ammo situation, so will be awhile before I really know how "worthy" it will be.
Rootbrain
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I've been finding some mixed reviews about them. But you know how reviews can go. These were mixed from broke and hated it to wonderful and really settled down the recoil and would get another one. ?!?!?

So we'll have to wait and see what John comes up with. HIM I do trust. We'll see if it's a go and add it with your experience.
 
i'm so impatient...bought one from a guy on the forum NIB for a good price, so its worth the gamble...lol...i'm gonna check it out too, and see if JaPes review reflects my personal sentiments...although, i'm not as experienced with AR platform, so his input means more! lol
 
Given that I shot at an indoor rifle tube, off a bench, I can not comment as to whether or not the "twang" is gone. I'm in a small room that has a concrete tube in it. Ear plugs & muffs were on.

I shot some TulAmmo 55gr JHP's, AE .223 Varmint Tipped, a few of my hand loads, and snuck in a couple Winchester 5.56 FMJ. The recoil impulse is hard to describe. The difference between the H2 and the Hydraulic was negligible. The recoil impulse is similar to using an H2 buffer, but smoothed out.

I had a carbine buffer in the range bag, and installed it to compare. As expected, the difference between a carbine buffer and hydraulic buffer is very palpable. Less felt recoil, faster follow up shots.

To be honest, is the hydraulic buffer worth it? If you're going from a carbine buffer, yes. Is the hydraulic buffer worth the price? That's a judgement call. A H2 buffer cost me $20 locally. Is the additional $60 worth it for a "smoother" feel? I'm not so sure. Does it satisfy the "I've got a cool esoteric AR15 part."? Yes it does. Will I use it over an H2 buffer? Since I paid for it, yes.

The hydraulic buffer is something you have to experience to judge it's worth. I think we need a few more 1st hand accounts. Tell you guys what. If Grover, Bill, and Maddmax are willing to do it...

I'll send it to Grover. Grover sends it to Bill. Bill sends it to Maddmax. Maddmax sends it back to me. It doesn't matter how long it takes, just as long as the buffer eventually makes it way back to me. Post up your impression of it. I'm sure Grover and Bill will be able to quantify and describe the change in feel using the hydraulic buffer.

If the hydraulic buffer fails while you have it, send it back to me. I'll send the failed part back to the manufacturer and point them to this thread.

This thread gets a few more 1st hand accounts, and no one else has to spend $90+ on one. How about it?
 
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If you're going to send it around you'd better make it fast as the CA legislature is doing everything in their Democrat-super-majority power to turn my Sport into an outlaw safe queen. :(
 
BHarada said:
If you're going to send it around you'd better make it fast as the CA legislature is doing everything in their Democrat-super-majority power to turn my Sport into an outlaw safe queen. :(
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If Grover doesn't mind, I can send it to you first. Then you pass it to Grover, then to Maddmax. PM me your address, and I'll send it out tomorrow.
 
JaPes said:
If Grover doesn't mind, I can send it to you first. Then you pass it to Grover, then to Maddmax. PM me your address, and I'll send it out tomorrow.
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John,
Send it to Grover first. He has more opportunity to shoot than me. It'll be a few weeks before I go out to the range again.
 
Thanks guys. I will test it out. But just to shock you all. I traded/sold my original Sport this week. I still have the one that was given to me and it will stay forever. But I jumped off and had an offer I couldn't turn down. It involves a SS Mini 14, a Custom Damascus Knife and Cash. I will post pics once I get it in hand.
 
oneyeopn said:
Thanks guys. I will test it out. But just to shock you all. I traded/sold my original Sport this week. I still have the one that was given to me and it will stay forever. But I jumped off and had an offer I couldn't turn down. It involves a SS Mini 14, a Custom Damascus Knife and Cash. I will post pics once I get it in hand.
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Whoa that is shocking! But it sounds like that really was an offer you couldn't pass up. Cant wait to see that Mini
 
It's in the mail on it's way to Grover. When he's done testing, Grover will pass it on to either Bill or Maddmax.

This should be an interesting thread. I'm looking in my box-o-AR parts to see if there's anything worth passing around for further forum testing & review.
 
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