Hyundai Genesis troubles....persistence pays off

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Bought my wife a Hyundai Geneis back in July. Second day I leave the house, drive about 1/2 mile at 45 mph, stop for a stop sign. The transmission (torque converter) shuddered so hard I thought one of the front wheels had come off. It was terrible. I immediately called the dearler/service department. Explained what the problem was and was told the torque converter had a 500 mile break in. I was only at mile 112 so I said it was bad but would continue to drive it. Every day when I would leave the house and the tranny was cold it would do the same thing. Took it in. They said the rear tire were out of balance. Rebalanced the tires. Didn't change anything. Took it back for visit #2 and they decided the rear tires needed to be force balanced. Again no change. Visit #3, new tires are orderd. Visit #4 I go in and wait for new tires to be force balanced. When I go out to get the car I was looking at the rear rims and noticed 4 chips in the baked on paint about the size of my pinky nail. Checked the other rear rim and it was the same way. Apparently the jerk that was taking the tires off and putting them back o was using a wide hard object to pop the hub centers out. New rims ordered. Week later new rims are in. Go down and wait while they mount and force balance tires on new rims. That was visit #5. Transmission is now starting to shudder bad on accerlation and decel and tail shaft is really shuddering on medium accelleration from stop (like you are pulling into traffic). Take it back for Visit#6. They keep it 16 days waiting on Hyundai to authorize them to do a "re-learn" flash on the transmission. That took 30 minutes and they had my car 16 days. Go get the car, when I pul out of the service bay the tail shaft shudders terrible. I just stopped and backed up, parked the car in the service lane and went to see the owner. He knew me because this was the 7th vehicle I have bought from him since 2001. Said about 10 words and left the key on his desk, went to the office next door and got the keys to one of their Lincoln loaners (piece of junk compared to the Genesis).

Service manager calls me the next week. She's upset because I called the Hyundai consumer service people and talked about lemon laws and pure sorriness of the dealership service department.

Body shop manager knows me, see's me in the parking lot and stops to talk. I'm livid so I tell him the story. Then Butch, the salesman I have bought 7 vehicles from walks up and asked if I was there to buy that new $65,000 Hyundai. I said no, I was there to sell mine. Told him the story about all the problems. Phone numbers were exchanged, promises were made.

Marty, Hyundai Rep calls me today to talk to me. I'm not in a talking mood. Would you believe that with all the services that were supposedly being done on my car that the transmission fluid level was never checked! It is a sealed unit and Hyundai wouldn't authorize their tech to pull the plug.

Marty called back about 6 tonight to tell me that Hyundai was going to put a whole new transmission in the car. Complete with torque converter.

So after what will be 8 visits for the same problem, almost 800 miles to and from the dealership and to date they have had my 5 month old car with less than 5000 miles on it 31 days.

Tranny is made in Germany, the rest of the car in Korea.

GOSH DARN IT ! !
 
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The Lincoln was junk compared to your Hyundai ??? Visit after visit to the dealer to fix it, sounds to me like the Hyundai is the junk..... Shoo
 
The Lincoln was junk compared to your Hyundai ??? Visit after visit to the dealer to fix it, sounds to me like the Hyundai is the junk..... Shoo

Shooboy, you just hit that nail right square on the head and drove it home with just one blow. Hate to say it but SC should have bought a Ford.
 
Shooboy, you just hit that nail right square on the head and drove it home with just one blow. Hate to say it but SC should have bought a Ford.


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NOPE, it's really a great car, it just had a bad transmission. The Genesis was the motor trend car of the year in 2009. Any make of car can have a bad part in it. Slam the door of a lincoln and it sound like a coffee can. Slam the door my my Genesis and it is quiet and tight. Lincoln has really loud road noise. Even with the window vents and doing 75 there is very little wind/road noise at all.

The Genesis is an absolutely terrific car. I just happen to buy one with a bad German part in it. I've owned Fords and Chevys. Traded a 2004 Impala in on the Genesis. It was a great little car too. Only put one battery in it and 2 sets fo tires. 107K miles.

I think you'll be surprised at the quality and standard features of this car. Wife's car is a small block V-8 putting out 375 hp. Have surprised a few Mustangs and Camaros with it.

I wasn't complaining about teh car it self. But more about the dealerships inability to put their finger on something as easy to identity as a huge centrifigul shudder as compared to some tires out of balance and couldn't get permision to check the fluid level.

It's a great little car. If I needed two cars for the family I'd be driving a black one with 400HP.

SC
 
I've owned/own 8 Hyundais , I still have 3 Elantras . Its not the cars where the problem is , it usually the dealers . Incompetent tech , rush thru service are a real beef for me . Fortuntely they have a great online tech resource and quite a few fan forums that have been way more valuable and helpful to me than either dealer . THe first dealership where I bought my first Hyundai (94 Excel) was great and with every change of hands the after sale services has gotten lower .
 
I've owned/own 8 Hyundais , I still have 3 Elantras . Its not the cars where the problem is , it usually the dealers . Incompetent tech , rush thru service are a real beef for me . Fortuntely they have a great online tech resource and quite a few fan forums that have been way more valuable and helpful to me than either dealer . THe first dealership where I bought my first Hyundai (94 Excel) was great and with every change of hands the after sale services has gotten lower .

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will your next new car be a Hyundai as well? I know mine will be. I just wish they made diesel trucks with a payload as big as my Ram 2500.
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Don't judge a whole line of cars because of personal predjudices. They are great cars and probably some of the best dollar spent for returns in the car industries.

Buy what you want, it's your money. But I can assure you, the craftsmanship on your ford, regardless of whether it is an edge or crown vic will not be any better than the genesis. Amenities on the lincoln mk iv are much harder to use than the genesis. Granted the lincoln has more room, but I didn't but this car for room. It's just me and momma. I bought it for reputation and 10yr/100k warranty. OKAY, it had a bad part. Could have been resolved easy and early, but dealership chose to be cheap about it. Now it's costed them way more money than it would have to fix it in the first 2 isits.

I don't own stock in Hyundai................. just one of their cars and I love it.

SC
 
My wife loves her Elantra. I'm the kinda guy that would explode after the second trip back to the dealership. GUAR IN TEED I'd be on the sales floor talkin in a loud voice about the problem,maybe drive it back into the showroom. I'd have left it there and not taken it off the lot until me and the dealership owner could drive it to my satisfaction.
 
"I bought it for reputation and 10yr/100k warranty"

Which is pretty much worthless if the service network is incompetent.
 
Right now the wife is looking at the 2011 Sonata to replace her 1992 Elantra which she loves . Me I'm looking at the 2011 Elantra or the 2011 Kia Forte to replace my 2001 Elantra (which has 220K on it whiole hers only has 98 miles on it ) . I would like to buy the Genesis Coupe 3.8T version but thats out of my price range right now . For the courious we've owned .

1994 Excel which handled snow like you wouldn't believe , sorely missed
1995 Scoupe fun but underpowered
1992 Elantra w/auto wife fav but she wrecked
1997 Sonata , wife loved , I called a floating couch
1992 Elantra GLS , wife fav , still have bought used survived 2 kids
2001 Eantra GLS my fav bought instead of the Tibby , modded heavily now
2001 XG300 Nice but hard times forced sale
1992 Elantra GL , bought for daughter to get her out of a Geo Metro since she has a kid now
 
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I'm not disagreeing one whit about Hundai as your choice-this applies to any car. If I had the trouble you had, I'd be driving a brand new one at this point and not just the original with a new tranny. Lemon Laws are for just this-In Louisiana they get three bites at the apple/ or if the car is out of use for over 30 days and then it's New Car time.
 
I'm not disagreeing one whit about Hundai as your choice-this applies to any car. If I had the trouble you had, I'd be driving a brand new one at this point and not just the original with a new tranny. Lemon Laws are for just this-In Louisiana they get three bites at the apple/ or if the car is out of use for over 30 days and then it's New Car time.

Shooboy loves lawyers !!! Shoo ;)
 
I'm not disagreeing one whit about Hundai as your choice-this applies to any car. If I had the trouble you had, I'd be driving a brand new one at this point and not just the original with a new tranny. Lemon Laws are for just this-In Louisiana they get three bites at the apple/ or if the car is out of use for over 30 days and then it's New Car time.

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Absolutely correct about the lemon law. And please take no offense to the next couple of sentences, but they wre written by Philadelphia lawyers. Lawyers bought and paid for by the car companies.

Lemon law'ed cars cost the owner I think $0.46/mile driven. Arguments and mediations can take up to a year to resolve. So, now I've lemon law'ed my car. Driven it 12-15K during the time I was in court/mediation and I miraculously win my case. I've just lost $6-7.5K. Where is that any benefit to me?

Car companies have abosuletly no fear of the lemon law making them "give" someone a new car, because they don't loos a penny by doing so. It's the negative press they get "LIKE RIGHT NOW" that they don't want known.

I got aggravated and swept under the rug, but to jump right on the lemon law "THREAT" has absolutely no weight to it. A brightly painted sheet of plywood in the back of a truck parked in front of the dealership has way more "likelyhood of result" than threats of lemons.

Caj, do you have a particular lawyer in mind that you would you have hired to plead your case? :-)

SC
 
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I've bought my last Ford after trying for several months to get one repaired. Ford says everything is within specs, which apparently includes surging and bucking from 35-45 mph. After the dealership was unable to repair it, I called the Customer Relationship Center and spoke with them. Their instructions to me were to work it out with the dealer. When I explained that 6+ trips (60 miles each) two loaner cars, and a couple of weeks without my truck had failed to find a solution, she said I should "speak with the service manager." Like I hadn't done that already.

So her next comment was to find another dealership.

And that "Ford will not provide any additional help."

I wasn't aware they had provided any to begin with.

So, they sent me a survey about how well the Customer Relationship Center had worked for me. I filled it out honestly (all negative) and sent it in. A couple of days ago I got a letter from the VP stating that they had reviewed my case and that the CRC lady had given me "proper advice" and that the issue was closed.

My first Ford was a 1964 Fairlane 500, the most recent a 2006 Mustang GT. In between has been everything from Rangers, F-150's, F-250's and Thunderbird SC's. I'll not buy another Ford!

I can handle a vehicle having problems. I cannot handle arrogance and incompetence when trying to get the problem addressed.
 
This is a handgun forum.


And if you read the advertising, Taurus has the best warranty in the business. And if you buy one, you'll need it.

American car companies have created their own monster. They've tolerated shoddy dealerships and then backed them. Now the foreign makers are starting to experience the same dealership networks. Often its a merged dealer that common ownership just applies the rules they've always used to cheat their customers. They even seem offended when its pointed out to them. They have one interest, selling you a new car. After that, if the car isn't as it should be, its your problem.

I'm a slow learner. Chrysler makes terrible cars. But my wife wanted a Chrysler minivan. Its got every ornament under the sun, but they've done an awful job of making them work together or well. There's no solution other than to not buy from those dealers. If it was just one dealer and one car, I might understand. It pervades the dealer network.

Maybe someplace there's a car dealer who isn't a skunk and scoundrel. I've not met one recently.

Playing nice with them just plays into their hand. Its not convenient for them to treat you well. They make more money treating you like crap, so they do it.
 
My Dad used to own a Chevrolet dealership in West Texas. The best advice he ever gave me about buying a car was to spend a couple of hours sitting in the service department waiting room and listening to the other customers discuss their cars/troubles. The service department makes a dealership.
 
i used to be a ford service manager. we used to have a saying that the sales dept. sold the first car, the service dept. sold them after that.
 
I hear those Ford technicians are very good at all sorts of repairs. I have a Tundra with 150k miles. The lazy bum service techs at my Toyota dealer do nothing but change the oil.
 

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