I am having a S&W customer service nightmare, REPLACEMENT SHIPPED!!!!

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Yikes! Just about everyone on this forum has had issues with S&W CS. But, your experience is rather unusual. I'm guessing a new model switch has clogged the shipping process. Nonetheless, I'm truly sorry to hear the lack of concern or compassion from the phone gods at CS. If it were me, I'd start writing letters to any of these fellows:

Investors - Directors and Officers - Smith & Wesson
 
You might try this. A friend of mine had a Ford PU that had a problem. He took it back to the dealer numerous times and could not get the problem fixed and they finally told him to go away. He got the name and address of the CEO and Bd of Directors and sent them all a letter explaining his ongoing problem. He got a call a week later from the owner of the dealership who personally took charge and his problem was fixed.
Sometimes you just need to run it up the flag pole a little farther.
 
This must be resolved to your satisfaction. It has engendered way too much anger. Like he said, latch onto one guy and ride his -uh - back until you get what you want and some apologies too. S&W is too good a company to let this fester.
 
Wait. What? You were able to reach a customer service center and they spoke English??? I can understand your frustration and we all feel your pain. I honestly believe that S&W will fix this to your satisfaction. Best of luck to you and keep us all posted. Irregardless, don't let this ruin your holidays. Have a Merry Christmas. kyle
 
My guess is there is more to this story than what we have heard... there are 2 sides to everything. Not sticking up for S&W, but I'm a believer in getting alll the facts. No doubt something went wrong, but all this jumping on the wagon is pretty weak. And for the record, I don't believe most folks here have had a bad CS experience with S&W, most likely the opposite is true.
 
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I recommend that if you write them a note that you use paragraphs....

holy hard to read Batman...


Still a sad state of affairs, higher ups need to know whats going on. My guess is you are not alone in getting treated this way.



I swear this is not an exaggeration, and this is exactly what has happened up to this date.

Four months ago I bought a S&W model 63. It took me a month before I even got a chance to shoot it. I did not even get through the first cylinder before it locked up. I called S&W and asked to send it in. They person told me it would take two weeks to receive a shipping label, and that they would send it in the mail. I just went ahead and sent it in on my dime, figuring it would come back fixed, my mistake. It came back in 2 weeks, I opened the box, and there was a big crack in the yoke. I called, and they e-mailed a shipping label. Wish someone would have mentioned that in the first place. I sent it back in, this time receiving it back in just over a week. I took it out, and bam, the cylinder jammed. I suffered through the next seven rounds, and forced open the cylinder. The spent shells were stuck. I could not force them out with the ejector, and had to hammer a couple out with a dowel. The shells that stick are bulging, and obviously something is still wrong. Same problem it had in the first place. I called, got another shipping label, and sent it in. I received a call a week and a half later from S&W saying it was unrepairable, and they would send me another one. I asked if I could get a 617 instead, since I have a 4" and it works great, I would like a 6" also, and would pay the difference. They said no need to pay the difference and got the information of the FFL I wanted it sent to from me. I thought, cool, I'm happy with this resolution. A month passed, and I called my FFL to make sure it had not arrived before calling S&W. I called them on the 18th of Nov. I was told by the customer service representative that it was sent on the fourth, and my FFL had it. I went down to my FFL, and they again stated it never arrived. S&W called my FFL while I was standing there, and the FFL got the serial number of the gun they said they shipped, went in the back, came back out, told S&W it was not there and asked for a tracking#. S&W said they could not find the tracking# and would call back. They were closed for the holiday week so I called back on the 1st of December. Guy who answered the phone said my gun was at the FFL, sent on the 4th of Nov. I explained what happened, and he said there was no record of me contacting customer service, the gun had been sent, and the order was closed in the computer. I said, then give me the tracking#. He put me on hold for 15 minutes, came back on the phone and said it's strange, as there is no tracking# to be found. He said he would go to shipping right now and call me back. I never received a call back. I called the next day, and got the same, "it's at your FFL, shipped on the fourth, no record of you calling". I finally, after being nice through this whole debacle, came unglued! I demanded to speak to someone in charge! I was transferred to someone else, and explained everything that happened up to this point. This guy looked in the computer, could find no tracking#, and put me on hold for 20 minutes. He came back on and said he found my gun, and it was waiting for the California CLFC# to come back. I said, "that's bull**** and you know it. That system is instant, and gives you the number immediately" He then said it was left on someone's desk and overlooked, they had the CLFC, he was walking it to shipping himself, and I would have it by Tuesday. I get a call on Tuesday, Dec. 6th, from a woman at Smith and Wesson asking me if I received my firearm, I said no, she said it was shipped Nov. 4th and is at my FFL. OMG!!!! Did MA. just legalize Marijuana or something? I explained the whole thing to her, AGAIN! She called the FFL, and no, as before, no gun, and as Tuesday came to a close, it did not arrive. I called S&W on Wed, the 7th. Once again I explained the whole thing AGAIN, and was put on hold for 10 minutes. Guy came back on the phone and said they were waiting for the CLFC, which as I said before, is INSTANT. I explained how the last guy said they had it, and said he was walking it down to ship last Friday. I was put on hold for another 10 minutes, and was told it was being shipped overnight as he spoke, and I could call back in a couple hours for a tracking#. Thurs, no gun, Fri, no gun. I call Fri. afternoon, and again am told that is was shipped Nov. 4th, and my FFL has it. Critical mass was achieved, and a nuclear explosion ensued. "What are you people doing over there. I want speak to someone who is in charge and can do more that fog a mirror and answer the phone." I was put on hold for 10 minutes and told I would get a call back. No call back. I have no idea what to do now. I have been nice, and I have been a jerk, with no results of a straight answer. This is the worst, most incompetent customer service I have EVER received, and I have received some pretty poor service.
 
My latest experience with S&W customer service was just a bit over five years ago, so things may have changed, but mine was amazingly good, fast, clear communication and handled by a guy who took responsibility for the work on the phone before I sent it in. He phoned me about the problem, including the charge, which was small, and I got it back quick.

My earlier experience, a horrible one, was in 1977 when I sent a M29-2 that was a turkey from the get-go. Took six months to get it back, no communication until they were ready to ship, poor response to my calls.

I had hope my more recent experience was becoming typical; seems it was not. I would certainly begin climbing the supervision chain, getting names and phone numbers along the way. I have a very nice Model 63, BTW, and it's worth fixing; nice revolver. Good luck.
 
I have sent an email to Kelley Rathman, and every other customer service email I can find on their site. I can find no information on where to send my grievence letter to the CEO, but if anyone has this information, please post it so I can. I hope to get this resolved. I have heard mostly good things about S&W customer service, and this may very well be a comedy of errors, I don't know.
 
cgb, I hope this matter can be resolved to your satisfaction. S&W is a fine company but like all companies its good name can be blemished through the actions of one or more of its employees.

P. James Debney
President and CEO
Smith & Wesson Holding Corp.
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01104-1606
 
I have sent an email to Kelley Rathman, and every other customer service email I can find on their site. I can find no information on where to send my grievence letter to the CEO, but if anyone has this information, please post it so I can. I hope to get this resolved. I have heard mostly good things about S&W customer service, and this may very well be a comedy of errors, I don't know.

Hi---

I read your story...and this is all I could think of...

You would be the little guy! And the other........ well, the Smith and Wesson Customer service Rep. And everything goes back to November 4th!
Start at about one minute 15 seconds!


Who's on first? - YouTube
 
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S&W had a recall of the 629s when they first came out, something about the metal in the cylinder. I got the letter and sent it in. They "lost it". Everyone was blaming everyone else. I call the S&W swichboard, asked to speak to the company president, and guess what, he answered. His name was Lee Deters, I think. At any rate, he appologized, sent me a voucher to get a new gun, and sent a pair of combat grips for my troubles. He said that he would "find that **** gun if it was the last thing he did". Two days later, I heard my dog barking, but didn't pay any attention to it. I went out on the deck about an hour later, and there was a UPS box sitting there. This was about six weeks since I originally sent it. I opened it, and there was my original 629. I tore the voucher up. Moral of the story, they didn't have e-mails back then, but if you can get the top dog on the phone, your problem may be solved. I have only had good service from them, and I can't for the life of me understand who would benefit from not giving you the best service that they can.
DLB
 
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cgb, I hope this matter can be resolved to your satisfaction. S&W is a fine company but like all companies its good name can be blemished through the actions of one or more of its employees.

P. James Debney
President and CEO
Smith & Wesson Holding Corp.
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01104-1606

I would send a certified letter to this gentleman. I bet your issue will be resolved. Ive only called SW Customer service once for a broken trigger on my Model 60-9. They asked me to send it in until I told them I was not the original owner. I told them I could install the trigger myself so, I just ordered it from them ($50.00). I was told it was on backorder for 2 weeks. That was a month ago... I really thought they would have offered to just mail me a new trigger since it was obviously a faulty part that just broke where it contacts the cylinder stop but, as someone stated, there is no such thing as good customer service anymore.
 
Sadly my experience with S&W customer was very much like yours. It was two years ago, but I still can't get over how a company could have such a horrible customer service department.

Regardless of the fact that I purchased my gun (1911 9mm
Pro Series) directly from S&W, and that I live 20 min from the plant, I still reached the same point of helplessness and frustration as the OP.

Hopefully they will eventually make this right.
 
Try calling S&W customer Service and getting the name of the person in charge, then ask for the person in charge of the shipping department. Then, call the ATF and report an obviously stolen firearm as you are required t do. Because they do not have it and your FFL does not have it, it must be stolen and should be reported to include the names of the folks at Smith. I bet they figure this out.

MDaly
 
Thsnks, If this is not solved by Monday, I will shoot off a letter to the CEO.

P. James Debney
President and CEO
Smith & Wesson Holding Corp.
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01104-1606
 
Go to the range with a working gun that you own and shoot til you are broke and out of ammo. Tell yourself you are happy with what you own, demand your money back, and go buy another gun somewhere else. I love Smiths, but if this happened to me, I'd NEVER purchase a "new" Smith again. I've dealt with CS on a much lower avenue, and was very satisfied. I hope the blood comes down and this is resolved in as good of a manner as it can be at this point. Merry Christmas and good health to you.
 
I have sent an email to Kelley Rathman, and every other customer service email I can find on their site. I can find no information on where to send my grievence letter to the CEO, but if anyone has this information, please post it so I can. I hope to get this resolved. I have heard mostly good things about S&W customer service, and this may very well be a comedy of errors, I don't know.
One caution. I have been involved in customer service in large and small companies and have also been involved in situations such as yours from your end. Your best bet is to deal with one person and one person only if at all possible. That way it is THEIR responsibility to fix YOUR problem.
If you get several folks chasing the same problem, they have a tendency to think either you are a chronic complainer or somebody else is fixing the problem and they do not need to worry about it. Either way, your problem gets shuffled to the bottom of he deck.
Good Luck!
 
This is all great to read considering I had just sent a 325 back for warranty work. At least they sent me a letter saying they recieved it. I will be curious if I have any problems. Good luck with your problem.
 
..........but, as someone stated, there is no such thing as good customer service anymore.

Man, this is an amazingly sad story. There IS one company that has outstanding customer service: DILLON PRECISION.

I bought a Dillon 450 press in a box of junk at a gunshow. It was missing a bunch of parts. I called Dillon for help in putting the press back together. After we agreed on what the 450 needed, the CS rep said: "We will replace them free of charge". I said, No, I don't think you understand. i bought it in a box of junk at a gunshow. I'm willing to buy the parts. He said: We don't care where you bought it. We will replace them free of charge. I about fell out of my chair. I won't own any progressive press except Dillon's. S&W ought to have a NO BS warranty like they do.

Good luck and let us know what happens. I WILL NEVER BUY A NEW SMITH for this reason. And to think that we all thought that when the pinned barrel went away the S&W was junk. Wow. H.
 
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