I am so disapointed.

Hey, now...you'd be ruining my side business of buying these "junk Sigmas" and repairing them, then reselling them for a small profit!

My latest acquisition is a SW9VE that includes a homemade take down plate that sticks, ball point pen spring, and a botched polish job. I actually traded a Mossberg 702 Plinkster for it...and I only paid $79 for the Mossberg a few years ago for my son. The boy has since been upgraded to a Ruger 10/22.

I think I have enough spare parts in the shop for it, including the TD plate from when I changed mine for a wider one.

When done, I should have no problem getting $275 or more.

Oops. Sorry about that! :)

I would not want to take away your business!

There is another thread on here about a gent who carved away a substantial portion of his SWVE frame (cannot remember if it is a 9 or 40), and fabricated his own take down plate from aluminum.

I am not sure about that, but on the Glock, it is used to lock the barrel and must be placed in correct orientation after removal. I thought perhaps it was a stressed part and therefore might need to be steel having plenty of support from the sides of the frame. I always wonder about this stuff, but perhaps I should just let it go so you have plenty of "defective" SIGMAs to buy, fix and resell. :)
 
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a62rambler, gotta take exception to that remark. I did own a Sigma for app 3-4 days and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. the retired cop that sold it to me as part of a package deal couldn't git rid of it quick enough either. when S&W were briefly taken over and wanted to compete with the cheaper black plastic market and FIRST CAME OUT WITH THE SIGMA. there were plenty of bugs in them like: Hercules couldn't fully load a mag, the mag would invariably fall out on the ground after a couple of shots, if the mag did manage to stay put, there were lots of ftf's and fte's. so my gripes about them are first hand exp's. the newer ones are a whole other story and I'm saying nothing about THEM.
 
Oops. Sorry about that! :)

I would not want to take away your business!

There is another thread on here about a gent who carved away a substantial portion of his SWVE frame (cannot remember if it is a 9 or 40), and fabricated his own take down plate from aluminum.

I am not sure about that, but on the Glock, it is used to lock the barrel and must be placed in correct orientation after removal. I thought perhaps it was a stressed part and therefore might need to be steel having plenty of support from the sides of the frame. I always wonder about this stuff, but perhaps I should just let it go so you have plenty of "defective" SIGMAs to buy, fix and resell. :)

I have a VE model in .40 cal that I'm waiting on a frame for. The previous owner took too much away from the frame, and it can't be saved. I may just use it as spare parts for other ones I pick up.

I like these guns...very simple with an easy to understand firing system. All too often, people think they know what they are doing when trying to modify them, but ruin them in the process. Granted, these are inexpensive handguns, and they are designed to be cheaply manufactured, but there isn't much that can be done to improve them, because of the design.

I carry one daily, concealed or open, depending on the weather. I know that each time I pick ut up, it will fire properly. I know that I can trust my life on it to operate as designed...which is better than my 1911's. With the exception of my AO 1911, which is a true mil-spec version, I wouldn't trust them to do what they are supposed to do, because I've modified them so much. The VE versions are perfect, if not a bit too wide. They are a great handgun, perfect for personal defense, and were priced, much like the SD line, in the range that most homes can afford one.

Perhaps one day someone will eventually come along and design an aluminum trigger for the Sigma/SD versions, but I doubt it. The cost to develop and test them would be so high that the average owner won't put the cash out for the improvement.

I'm currently working on an the housing for the sear block trying to cheaply insert a .015" piece of stainless steel so the sear block rides on steel instead of plastic. This is where the gritty trigger comes from. No amount of polishing the transfer bar will improve the feel of the trigger. I'm also messing around with a larger diameter pin to connect the transfer bar to the sear block, in hopes of lessening the trigger travel. All of this takes a lot of time, and the demand for the improvement is low...for the average owner.

In the end, this isn't a weapon that is highly sought after, isn't a weapon that is cheaply improved upon, but is a very reliable handgun that will work each time if left alone.

As long as there are people screwing around with them, I'll be able to repair them and sell them rather cheaply. :D
 
I've owned a Sigma 9, SD9 (original, not VE), M&P 9C, and now a Shield 9. Never had a bit of trouble out of any of them. After I did the trigger spring fix on the Sigma, it shoots as good as the rest at 10 yards. Really, that's what it was designed for.
 
I've owned a Sigma 9, SD9 (original, not VE), M&P 9C, and now a Shield 9. Never had a bit of trouble out of any of them. After I did the trigger spring fix on the Sigma, it shoots as good as the rest at 10 yards. Really, that's what it was designed for.

Exactly...these aren't match pistols. They are, however, a reliable SD weapon.
 
I just purchased a Sigma in 9MM from my local Gander Mountain yesterday. For $349.00 before taxes, a pistol with such fit and finish seems to be a real bargain! As it's my 12th S&W in nearly 4 decades of shooting, I suspect I'll like it.
 
I would still complain about my first gen Sigma if I really thought it was worth doing so.

But the last gen Sigma I had and sold (shouldn't to that...) was just fine. I really enjoyed having it as the bedside gun the whole time I had it.

I'm still thinking of adding the newest SD to the collection.
 
I have an old series 80 Colt Gold Cup that was accurized at the Ft. Benning army pistol teams shop.
It is no more or less accurate than my 40VE. For the money involved I would take the 40VE any day and would lean toward the Sigma for the grip angle.
I've been shooting and working on firearms for about 50 years have only seen one out of the box pistol that did not need any tweaking and that was a Colt Python.
It would be very hard to come up with a pistol that cost $300.0/$350.00 that beats the Sigma and I've seen some $600.00/800.00 guns that have worse triggers than the Sigma, which seems to be the main gripe about the S&W.
I'll keep my 40VE.
 
I just shot my first IDPA, yes while embarrassing to say with all the 'real' guns there, I used my Sigma! I guess since it was my first match, no one laughed, (at least loud enough for me to hear, must have been my ear plugs), the gun didn't shoot the wrong target, break or blister my trigger finger, oh well....
 
I have a SW9VE that I actually like. It fits my hand quite nicely. As long as you remember these are "value" guns, not fully refined premium pistols. I have a blast with mine, however it is not something that I would stake my life on.
 
I have a SW9VE that I actually like. It fits my hand quite nicely. As long as you remember these are "value" guns, not fully refined premium pistols. I have a blast with mine, however it is not something that I would stake my life on.

Why not? It's a very reliable firearm. Lemme guess...you'd only stake your life on your 1911A1 with all the bells and whistles, right?

Seriously...it's a great gun that is very reliable.
 
I agree, I've shot over 2,000 rounds out of mine, training classes, etc., I would definitely bet my life on mine!
 
At the risk of shaking up all the sd9ve haters......I have owned several all metal s&w 9mm's, .45 cal's, and currently the M&P 9 and the SD9VE, after 40+ years of shooting I have to conclude the most reliable, accurate semi auto has been my SD9VE. I prefer the appearance of the M&P 9 but Never had a single issue, malfunction FTF, FTE, nothing with the SD9VE. Super reliable, I don't recommend shooting with your eyes closed, but hardly can tell any difference between the M&P 9 and the SD9VE except the M&P is slightly heavier. People mistake the model as a sigma, which it is not.

I paid $350 for the SD9VE when the MSRP was $379., now one store has them for $275. new ,apparentely the confusion with the original sigma made them hard to sell.
 
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I rotate my SD9VE and SW9VE as my carry weapon. I own higher dollar guns, to include a Springfield 1911A1 Range Officer.

I equate them to cars...I own a classic Mercedes that I enjoy driving, is worth a lot of money, and is noticed when it's out. It costs me a decent amount of money to maintain the Mercedes. I also own a Chevrolet, that I paid less for, and it costs much less to maintain. The Mercedes has been in the shop more than the Chevy, so I rely on and use the Chevy as my daily driver.

My 1911 is finicky, but fun to shoot. It cost me a decent amount of money, and I have about the same amount in it on custom stuff as I paid for it. When it's in a good mood, it will give a stellar performance. However, with it being finicky, and won't work as designed at times, I carry my ugly black and silver S&W...because I know it will work everytime I pull the trigger.
 
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I have a blast with mine, however it is not something that I would stake my life on.

Hmmm...I guess I look at it differently. If I have a gun that works perfectly, without any issues or failures, why wouldn't I stake my life on it, regardless of what it cost? For serious need, I am going with the most reliable gun I have, every time. For range fun, finicky guns are acceptable...not great, but acceptable...I just want better than acceptable when my life is on the line.
 
Sigma woes ???

IMHO the S&W Sigma is like the Ruger P95. Blue collar ( as in not cool), totally functional, reliable, and proven, decent triggers and sights, built like a tank, priced well below other "cool" semi-autos. Both are more than well worth the money. So why the raps ?? They don't deserve it, but those of us who own them can smirck knowing we have the best pistols on the planet for the $$:):)
 
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