I am thinking about re-buying a Ruger P89

...The son in law stopped by one day on his way back to Washington state and was complaining about how uncomfortable his little micro 9 was to shoot so I had him try the P89 out.
He loved it so I gave it to him along with the holster, the mags, and a couple 100 rounds of my reloads.
Unfortunately a week after he got home Washington passed their idiot 10 round mag capacity law.
He takes it out to range fairly often and has had one of the range officers there and some of his friends try it out and they were amazed that though it looks like it weighs a ton with the alloy frame it's actually relatively light, nicely balanced, and shoots great.
If I run across another P89 I'd be real tempted to buy it.

Good news for your SIL. The 10 round magazine ban wouldn't affect him in this case. All the standard capacity magazines that were already owned when the idiotic law was passed are "grandfathered" - still perfectly legal to own and use.
We're just prohibited from buying, selling, importing, or making any more of them.
If they CATCH you buying them or PROVE that you got them after the ban - say if you went to Idaho and bought some - then you can be prosecuted for bringing them into Washington.
But you can't be prosecuted for owning them if you already had them when the new law went into effect.
I have a BUNCH of them that I've had since before the ban. In fact I bought several more just before the start of the ban. So did a LOT of other people I know.
In this case innocent until proven guilty still applies - they have to prove that they aren't pre-ban magazines or that you acquired them AFTER the ban went into affect.
 
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The guards at a place I worked were told to use the company issue guns. The head security guy was PO'd that he had to leave his P89 at home.

I bought a P95DC on a whim for $200. It's ugly, it rattles, but it goes bang every time, is very easy to rack and gentle in recoil. What's not to like?
 
The guards at a place I worked were told to use the company issue guns. The head security guy was PO'd that he had to leave his P89 at home.

I bought a P95DC on a whim for $200. It's ugly, it rattles, but it goes bang every time, is very easy to rack and gentle in recoil. What's not to like?
I have a P94DC in 9mm and a P97DC in 45acp
Both big, hefty, good, solid, reliable guns.
 
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Good news for your SIL. The 10 round magazine ban wouldn't affect him in this case. All the standard capacity magazines that were already owned when the idiotic law was passed are "grandfathered" - still perfectly legal to own and use.
We're just prohibited from buying, selling, importing, or making any more of them.
If they CATCH you buying them or PROVE that you got them after the ban - say if you went to Idaho and bought some - then you can be prosecuted for bringing them into Washington.
But you can't be prosecuted for owning them if you already had them when the new law went into effect.
I have a BUNCH of them that I've had since before the ban. In fact I bought several more just before the start of the ban. So did a LOT of other people I know.
In this case innocent until proven guilty still applies - they have to prove that they aren't pre-ban magazines or that you acquired them AFTER the ban went into affect.
I also gave the SIL a 9mm Beretta PX4 Storm compact model with two factory 15 round mags to take with him for my daughter so when the law was passed I read it to see if the mags for both pistols were going to be a problem.
The way I understood the law is if you already have factory magazines that hold greater than 10 rounds you can legally keep and use them for like range shooting but you can't have them in a firearm that you're carrying for defense.
Of course it was in lawyerize so I may have misunderstood the actual meaning. :rolleyes:
 
A friend of mine had a P89 years ago and it was stolen. Dumped on the Presidio in San Francisco for about a year. Fog, drizzle, rain and dirt, leaves. Was found and he got it back from SFPD (now that's a miracle!) and after disassembly and cleaning, replaced a few small blued parts - worked perfectly.

Convinced me to buy one and even in CA it was about $300.00.

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I hear they also made them in 9mm. ;)
 
Ruger P-Series, people love them or hate them. I carried a P-85 on duty for a short time in the 90’s. I picked up this P-85 a few years ago for about $250. It’s rough, but I like that way!
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I have a different take on the Ruger P-series pistols. My old agency was one of the first ones to buy into the new Ruger pistols and right at the get-go we had problems with them. The first batch had to be sent back to Ruger for re-working and barrel replacement. Never buy the first iteration of anything. Got them back and then something was haywire with the transfer bars and all those had to be replaced. I actually hated having to carry that P-85 and problems continued thru 3 different Ruger P-series models. Ruger took pretty good care of repairing our pistols because we were the first major department that adapted them, but the cost of the pistols is what swung them in our favor. Cheapest isn't always bestest.

The negatives always out weighed the positives with those pistols. The ambi magazine release was giving us fits because it would get hit with male end of a seat belt and the mag would fall out of the pistol when you got out of the squad. The fix for that was to bend the mag release spring to put more tension on the mag release, but then troops couldn't release their mags and back to the armorer for another "adjustment". The administrative fix for this problem was what we called the "Ruger Twitch". We were told to always check to make sure our magazine was locked into place when we got out of our squads by pushing up on the base plate of the magazine. One could always tell one of our troopers at a distance because he/she was the one constantly pushing the magazine into their Ruger, hence the "Ruger Twitch". If it wasn't so sad it would have been funny.

At the same time we had the magazine problem we also were encountering officers that had the magazine base plates come off their pistols when they got out of their squads. That was interesting because if you didn't hear the base plate pop off you ended up with one active round in your pistol, a bunch of ammo rolling around on your car seat and no good way to remove the magazine body quickly if needed. Some would just slide out of the frame if the mag release button was pushed and some needed a stick to help the mag body slide out.

I was an armorer thru three cycles of Ruger P-Series pistols and finally the last straw was when we started finding cracked frames on our last series of Rugers. The cracks were in the area of the slide lock crosspin holes in the frames and they weren't easy to see. Ruger blamed our ammunition for this problem, but we were using Winchester +P+ 127 grain ammunition that Ruger said was acceptable. We didn't shoot a lot of that +P+ ammunition except for our semi-annual qualifications, so we shot about 100 rounds of that per year per officer. The rest of the time we used normal FMJ 115 grain stuff. In the end Ruger literally refused to do anything about the defective frame issue and this resulted in an internal pistol selection that got us into Glocks. That was one of the happiest days of my adult career life when we received our Glocks and they worked right from the get-go to my retirement.

They say things are different at Ruger now, but I have been forever tainted on Ruger firearms. In fact when we made the changeover to Glocks I refused to buy back my old Ruger duty pistol. Out of sight, out of mind. I am happy for anyone that likes their Rugers, but I won't own one.

Rick H.
 
Im really happy to know I’m not the only guy that revisits guns we sold off at one time! My first pistol was a Beretta Model 70 in 32ACP which I purchased as a Sophomore in College. Loved that little gun but sold it off for another more modern shiny object. Fast forward several decades and picked one up at a gun show in excellent condition.

Like most said about the P89 it is a boat anchor but kinda cool in a retro short of way. You want it, get it.
 
I always find the “ugly” comments directed toward the P series humorous. In the original two tone-ish, gray frame and silver slide, decock only DC variants, they’re at least the equal aesthetically to an adjustable sighted 3rd Gen S&W auto. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
 
I have a P89 that I brought over 30 years ago. Somewhere over the years I started having failure to fire light firing pin strikes so I replaced the firing pin, recoil and main springs. It is long overdue for a trip to the range.
 
I also gave the SIL a 9mm Beretta PX4 Storm compact model with two factory 15 round mags to take with him for my daughter so when the law was passed I read it to see if the mags for both pistols were going to be a problem.
The way I understood the law is if you already have factory magazines that hold greater than 10 rounds you can legally keep and use them for like range shooting but you can't have them in a firearm that you're carrying for defense.
Of course it was in lawyerize so I may have misunderstood the actual meaning. :rolleyes:
Here is a link to the actual magazine ban law
RCW 9.41.370: Large capacity magazines—Exceptions—Penalty.

It only prohibits, sale, purchase, importation, or manufacturing. No prohibition against ones we already own - or any restrictions on using ones legally owned - including using them for concealed carry.

And a link to the concealed carry law
RCW 9.41.050: Carrying firearms.

Which also doesn't say anything about magazine capacity restrictions for concealed carry.

It is blatantly un-Constitutional to pass a new law that imposes penalties retro-actively on citizens who were in compliance with all existing PRIOR laws. Our government is prohibited from passing Ex Post Facto laws. They aren't allowed to pass a new law and then punish people for behavior that was LEGAL prior to the passage of the new law that declared that behavior as ILLEGAL. In other words, the government can't pass a NEW law, and then prosecute anyone for breaking that laws before it was passed or enacted.

The bump-stock ban was an example of them trying that - and it got overturned.

That is why the 10-round magazine "ban" doesn't apply to any magazines that WE THE PEOPLE of Washington owned BEFORE our legislators decided to impose this un-Constitutional restriction on our 2nd Amendment rights.

Read point #5, sub point #4 of the link below.
Firearm High-Capacity Magazine Restrictions in Washington – State Regs Today

While it seems to say that those in possession of standard capacity magazines have to prove that they possessed them PRIOR to the effective date of the magazine ban, if anyone were ever prosecuted under this un-Constitutional law, the reality is that State would have to prove that person DIDN'T already own the standard capacity magazines before the magazine capacity ban was in effect.

So, if Washington State ever actually tried to prosecute someone for violating the magazine capacity "ban", the fundamental legal presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" would mean that the State would have to prove that the magazines were purchased/imported/manufactured AFTER the ban took effect. That's a pretty high standard of proof for the State to meet unless they have some sort of record to prove it - like a sales receipt, or magazines for guns that didn't exist before the ban, or a manufacturing date stamp on the magazine itself (I've never seen any marked that way, but it is possible)

Isn't it curious that in nearly 3 years no one has been prosecuted for breaking this law? I think the reason is that if the State ever tried to enforce these un-Constitutional laws, they would be challenged and appealed until they were overturned.

Another really great example of this is I-1639 that passed way back in 2018. I-1639 required that ALL of us law-abiding citizens submit to a state BGC to purchase a firearm - even for private gun sales. How many criminals have been prosecuted for not following the "universal back-ground checks" required by this law?

AFAIK there has been only ONE prosecution under this new law - WAY back in 2019 or 2020. And that was a case where a guy made a straw purchase for his nephew - who was a felon - and then the nephew used the gun to commit a murder. So how many criminals have actually been affected by the new law? ONE over the last 9 years.

But how many law-abiding gun owners have been affected? THOUSANDS of us - we law-abiding gun owners are the ones who actually try to FOLLOW these asinine, ridiculous laws. The criminals just ignore them - just like they ignore ALL of the other laws that law-abiding citizens do our best to try to follow.

These laws are just another example of "feel good" legislation pushed and passed by the anti-gun folks. They don't really DO anything to deter crime, but it gives the anti-gun crowd supporters a "feel good" for having DONE SOMETHING (even if that SOMETHING that they've done is wrong and/or totally ineffective).

It seems like we're living in a clown-world where the law is putting more and more restrictions on the rights of the law-abiding and the criminals are taking full advantage of that fact as they run amok.
 
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I am a huge Ruger "P-nut". I first bought a stainless P95 soon after they first came out, but like a dummy sold it off for something different like I usually did in my young and stupid days. I loved that P95 and how it shot and wish I never got rid of it.
I now have a KP90 in .45, a KP93 in 9mm, a KP944 in .40 and a KP97 in .45 and I'll never get rid of any of them.
 
I also have a 9mm P95DC stainless with the polymer frame. A true polymer frame with no steel inserts. Ruger torture tested the P95 with 20,000 rounds of +P+ ammo to prove reliability and durability. A bit bulky but light. One of the best Rugers ever made but sadly also discontinued but used ones can be found on GB.
 
I always find the “ugly” comments directed toward the P series humorous. In the original two tone-ish, gray frame and silver slide, decock only DC variants, they’re at least the equal aesthetically to an adjustable sighted 3rd Gen S&W auto. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

Compared to any of my Glocks, the P89 looks like a McLaren sports car to the Glock's Kia looks.
 
Much like the metal receiver S&W 9mm, 40 S&W, 10mm, and 45 ACP pistols, they were great back in their day. I would not buy one now unless it was purely for range enjoyment and nostalgia.
 

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