I Just Saw Avatar. I was Rootin' For The Marines

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OK. This was a great movie. But I just grit my teeth and quit thinking about the flagrant effort to make Bush and the Iraq war a criminal act. Not to mention our treatment of the Indians over a century ago. The 3-D visuals were undescribable.
The director of this movie approves of "eco-terrorism". So he uses all the technology available today to make a film expressing the EVILS of technology. And making zillions of bucks in the process. Unbelievable.
I wonder if the director is going to move out of his mansion and donate it to the local indian tribe since it's stolen property. I mean, if he feels this guilty.
 
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Yeah, it's amazing that all those who want to reduce the population on the earth, and give back the land we "stole" always want someone else to die and someone else to "give back" their land. Never themselves.

Another one is Michael Moore, putting down capitalism while hauling the money to the bank.
 
The script was written back in the 90s well before GW and the Middle East wars. The director sat on it until the technology caught up with his vision of the movie.

Personally, I think he stole the Ferngully movie and jazzed it up.
 
Below, another pithy missive that did not make it with my pal "Ed"

Dear Ed:

I saw Avatar with my family over the Christmas holidays. I thought the storyline trite – it is an old story we have seen many, many times before – but loved the special effects, the 3D, etc., as did my wife and teenage son. This is not to say I didn’t enjoy the story. The plot is an enjoyable fantasy for all ages and the fact that it is so oft repeated shows that many people like it.

But I have been astonished by the seriousness with which people take the movie. I first noticed this reading a rightwing blog that was concerned that it might become the liberal’s Atlas Shrugged. Then I read a New York Times editorial about how significant the movie was philosophically for our day and age -- or something like that. Comments like these make me laugh. And I continue to read, in your paper and others, about how various special interest groups feel the movie is improperly perpetuating demeaning stereotypes or is morally suspect because one of the characters is a nicotine fiend. (This last reminds me of the 1930s Hollywood moral code requiring actresses, if on a bed, to always have one foot on the floor.)

I find this all preposterous. Avatar is just excellent entertainment. No more, and no less. (It’s a movie, folks!) :)
 
akviper said:
The script was written back in the 90s well before GW and the Middle East wars. The director sat on it until the technology caught up with his vision of the movie.

Personally, I think he stole the Ferngully movie and jazzed it up.
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Without giving it all away, there's that one scene where a Marine refers to a recent fire fight or whaterever as a "shock and Awe!" So I guess he updated it a little after the Iraq war.
But again. It was a great movie. I could not believe how fantastic the 3-d was. And that's how I'll describe it to people.
But to my freinds that are on top of politics and world affairs I will mention what I saw as a metaphor for the "greedy imperialistic souless Americans who want to destroy everything" attitude out there. Especially in Hollywood.
 
Wouldn't it be great if they could remake "Saving Private Ryan" or "Blackhawk Down" using the 3D technology. I would sit through those movies a bunch of times.

If you didn't think our society is screwed up enough, there have been reports of suicides who couldn't stand living unless it was in a beautiful place like Pandora. Maybe a psych exam is needed before you see the movie. Perhaps a disclaimer at the beginning that it is only a movie and Pandora is not a real place.

According to the movie the earth was supposed to be a mess but they apparently still had the resources, ability, and knowledge to build some pretty neat intergalactic space ships and aircraft.
 
I saw the movie and enjoyed it.....for a movie. That's all it is. Why people have to look for and make crap out of everything is beyond me.

Get a life.
 
We seen it and liked it. I really cant tell you the story plot as that didnt interest me. I was into the special effects and 3 D.
 
....***special effects???**** It had special effects???

OK.....it was pretty impressive. I hadn't seen a 3D movie since about 1958 or so. And like then, fantasy and willing suspension of disbelief was part of being in the audience as the radiation mutant creature devoured buildings....only in pastels and with surround sound.

Metaphor? Symbolic? Figment of species primal memory? Existential anxiety and societal guilt? Evil profiteering drones vs karmic love child on a voyage coming of age in a harsh universe?

Bah Humbug!!! Take away the pre- post- and halftime show and the Super Bowl is just another pointless foot ball game where you can buy stuff and pay to watch.

Which is what this movie was....well done, perhaps, yet at the base little more than a Disney cartoon with a predictable story line as old as writing and made to seem more than it *is* by high tech marketing.

I may have to go again. If my bladder can hold out that long.
 
bamabiker said:
I saw the movie and enjoyed it.....for a movie. That's all it is. Why people have to look for and make crap out of everything is beyond me.

Get a life.
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My son is out of the Marines and is one of those "evil" private contractors in Afghanistan. I said I liked the movie too but unlike you I don't like seeing our military made to look like villians all the time by Hollywood.
 
You MAY have seen it before...
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I like the machines that walk and have machine strength.

The 20mm rifle was pretty sweet and the bayonet would sell like hot cakes at the tacticool shoots I have been too.

The long thin female walking point would have been pretty distracting. I probably wouldn’t have made it to day 2.

Learning to fly would work.
 
Wait a minute. The blood-thirsty planet rapers were not Marines. They were private security guards working for a mining company. The only Marines were two ex-Marines, one retiree in charge of the mining operation security, and the other a medical discharged spinal cord injury victim.
Those who look for something to be offended by can find it. It is a great film, worth watching.
 
It would be a huge mistake to not understand the propaganda value of film and the ability to change a culture over time.

It's fine to enjoy it as what it is, but nothing is lost by applying an analytical mind to its messages.

If folks didn't understand the propaganda value of films, we wouldn't have every recent war film out of Hollywood painting a negative view of the military and/or government.

Who can say for sure the extent to which those contribute (with everything else) to the prevailing political view of the wars.
 
Well, speaking for me, and me alone, I can say to me it's a movie, and any Hollywood mogul who expects to influence my socio-economic or socio-political views with a movie is a-wastin hizzer time.

And I think the various self-defined minority victim groups or moral prudes -- no smokin' in the movies! -- who are complainin' about the movie stereotypes denegrating 'em or encouraging moral turpitude probably would complain about the abundance of daisies in a field on a sunny day.

It's what they do. Complain.

And I'd like to think we have more common sense here than that.

(Now, I am impressed with the movie grossing something like $1.3B so far. That's some serious smackerooskies. Capitalism at it's best! ;))
 
Fuego said:
Wait a minute. The blood-thirsty planet rapers were not Marines. They were private security guards working for a mining company. The only Marines were two ex-Marines, one retiree in charge of the mining operation security, and the other a medical discharged spinal cord injury victim.
Those who look for something to be offended by can find it. It is a great film, worth watching.
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You're right. But right now every private contractor in the middle east are considered terrorists by the Left. Blackwater, etc. I stand by my statement that this film shows the "military" in a negative light.
But I SKYPED my son over in Afghanistan (discharged Marine and now a evil private contractor) and told him how great this movie was and he's got to see it in 3-D. I barely mentioned this political stuff to him. I just brought it up here because I'm tired of this crap.
You say planet rapers. Well that's the way liberals describe the U.S. for going around taking over countries and "stealing" their oil (Kuwait, Iraq). But we always just end up liberating them and never seem to get around to stealing the oil. Actually, I think they could as least give us a sale price since we kicked Saddam out. But I guess I'm just a greedy, materialistic, imperialistic, planet raping infidel not in touch with the "inner soul of the planet" like these kind,noble, soulful Native Americ...I mean giant blue folks living in utopian Pandora.

BTW. Everybody. You gotta see this movie! In 3-D! You'll be sorry if you don't.
 
Effects were great, movie was long & very corny. Dances with wolves meets Star Wars with lion Lion King thrown in. Would have been much better if less then 2 hours long. Glad I saw it, but $30 for tickets & Coke & popcorn.... geeez.
 
All I'm trying to say is if these groups would just enjoy it for being entertainment and not making into some political/social statement in the first place, we...you, your son and everyone else could do the same. It's a movie, that's all.
Maybe I'm just too simple minded.
 
bamabiker said:
All I'm trying to say is if these groups would just enjoy it for being entertainment and not making into some political/social statement in the first place, we...you, your son and everyone else could do the same. It's a movie, that's all.
Maybe I'm just too simple minded.
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No your not, and because i brought it up here I guess it seems like that's all I got out of this movie, which it isn't. It had an OK plot and the visuals ARE A MUST SEE.
During the movie I leaned over to my wife and said "Dancing with Wolves". Saw a SNL clip last night and Sagourney Weaver said "Dancing with Smurfs".
But, anyway, I'm not going to talk about it anymore other than tell people they have to see the 3-D version because I think it comes both ways.
At least Sean Penn wasn't in it. Oops There I go again!
 
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