I think I got this story right...???

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This gun is REALLY nice, and the price was out standing.

So, here's the story on this one...

This is a S&W Victory model that was made towards the later part of the war (I think! The serial number is 997XXX. The serial Number does not start with a "V" nor does it have the government proof marks...but here is the neat part. I did some reading about these guns, and it turns out a small number of them were turned out to a civilian agency in this form to be given to factories that were deemed essential to the war effort. This gun sat in the safe of one of those factories until 1978 when it was bought by a local police officer at an auction sale. The factory made Bliss stamping presses. He had the gun, but did not shoot it much for two years. He then traded it to the guy that I bought it from (who is a friend of his) for $75 and a broken rototiller.

I'm almost positive that this gun was given to the Bliss plant in our town, and that's why it has no "V" and government markings. Does that make sense to you S&W experts???

It's a real shooter too. I test fired it at the guys house that I bought it from, and dropped all six in a three inch group from around 15 yards in fairly rapid fire off hand.

The gun locks up TIGHT, and the action feels like new. The guy I bought it from said he has put maybe 200 rounds through it since 1978. He even gave me all his .38 brass including some of the really old boxes of Federal Monark Match ammo complete with the empties.

I got it all for $300! The holster I already had for my Model 18, and is a S&W marked retention holster.

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This gun is REALLY nice, and the price was out standing.

So, here's the story on this one...

This is a S&W Victory model that was made towards the later part of the war (I think! The serial number is 997XXX. The serial Number does not start with a "V" nor does it have the government proof marks...but here is the neat part. I did some reading about these guns, and it turns out a small number of them were turned out to a civilian agency in this form to be given to factories that were deemed essential to the war effort. This gun sat in the safe of one of those factories until 1978 when it was bought by a local police officer at an auction sale. The factory made Bliss stamping presses. He had the gun, but did not shoot it much for two years. He then traded it to the guy that I bought it from (who is a friend of his) for $75 and a broken rototiller.

I'm almost positive that this gun was given to the Bliss plant in our town, and that's why it has no "V" and government markings. Does that make sense to you S&W experts???

It's a real shooter too. I test fired it at the guys house that I bought it from, and dropped all six in a three inch group from around 15 yards in fairly rapid fire off hand.

The gun locks up TIGHT, and the action feels like new. The guy I bought it from said he has put maybe 200 rounds through it since 1978. He even gave me all his .38 brass including some of the really old boxes of Federal Monark Match ammo complete with the empties.

I got it all for $300! The holster I already had for my Model 18, and is a S&W marked retention holster.

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n1624664785_204125_6940450.jpg


n1624664785_204126_1483735.jpg
 
John,

Your gun is what is often referred to as a "pre-Victory Model." After SNs reached the one million mark, Smith started back at 1, with the addition of the "V" (for "Victory") prefix. It most likely shipped out of the S&W factory in May or June of 1942.

The absence of any "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" top strap or other military markings tends to confirm the story that it was routed to a civilian user. Nice find!

If you would care to have your gun entered in the Victory Model database maintained by my friend and collaborator, ordnanceguy, and me, please post the full SN. (If you prefer, you may e-mail me off-forum at [email protected], removing the "NOSPAM"," of course.)

Steve
 
Originally posted by johngoboom:


What do you guys think this gun is worth for insurance purposes?

About what you paid for it, maybe $50-75 more if it is in real nice shape. I see them for sale all the time around here, but no one seems to be too eager to buy them, I think it's the dull finish that turns some off. Like me, they like shiney blued guns and pretty wood.
 
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Here is a pic of pre Victory, serial number 960543 shipped to the US Navy on April 30, 1943. This seems late for a non "V" prefix gun as I have V 188296 shipped on December 1, 1942
 
It seems to me that ANY gray phosphate finished M&P with smooth wooden grips made after about April, 1942 should be a Victory model. Serial number should have nothing to do with it. Collectors make things too complicated.

The Victory Model is just a rough-finished M&P made during the war years, for the US, and for distribution to defense industries and police.

Actually, similar-finished .38/200 guns are basically British Victory Models. This will probably leave the purist screaming, but seems logical to me.

But, what do I know? Heck, if I was smart, I'd be rich.
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