I was hoping I didn't get a bad one.

[woodknack]

Well I have been reading this forum since I got my m&p 1522 in February 2010. I was hoping the I didn't have one of those bad ones too. I got a chance to go out a shoot a few rounds through it this weekend. And guess what? I had a bunch of failure to feeds, a couple failure to fire (very light fire pin hit to the cap) and one out of battery! I did not lose the ejector though. All of this happened in under 100 rounds. I guess im calling S&W tomorrow to find out how to send the gun back.

 

[bgdv1]

yep nother one of those and you'd probably kiss your extractor goodby.

 

[maxicooper]

Contact S&W and send the rifle back for their magic "upgrade to current spec" process, and you will be another happy camper.

 

[woodknack]

Ya I am calling them tomorrow. It looks like I have the old ejector style. And I don't see no blue spring either. Seems like the gun was out of time, thats why i got the OOB. Just a guess. Still pretty cold here so now is a good time to get the problem fixed before I really want to run some round through it.

Does S&W through in 1 or 2 mags for the inconvenience?

 

[mad618]

nice camera, good clear pics

 

[27 Beck]

Ya I am calling them tomorrow. It looks like I have the old ejector style. And I don't see no blue spring either. Seems like the gun was out of time, thats why i got the OOB. Just a guess. Still pretty cold here so now is a good time to get the problem fixed before I really want to run some round through it.

Does S&W through in 1 or 2 mags for the inconvenience?

S&W could send no mags, 1 mag or two mags or ???? for your inconvenience. No guarantee.

How does the location of your ejector compare with the more recent build 15-22s?

I thought Winchester ammo was on the not advisable to use list.

 

[woodknack]

nice camera, good clear pics

Thanks! I owe that my Nikon. I owned a
lot of digital cameras but was never happy until I bought a DSLR.
Thats how I am about my guns too. If it doesn't work for me it goes!!

 

[woodknack]

I thought Winchester ammo was on the not advisable to use list.

Hmm. Well I got no Recommended ammo list with my gun! And If I did I would not have bought it. When you pay $450.00 for a .22LR, It should shoot ANY 22LR ammo. I have a 10/22 that will spit just about anything I feed it! I have never experienced a OOB before I shot this 1522.I feel all this ammo talk is nonsense. Its just masking the problem that S&W knows they have with this gun.

Ever hear the old saying, "never believe everything you read"?
This is very true in must forums.

There are knowledgeable people on forums but you really have to weed through a lot of crap!

So don't try to tell me my OOB was caused by my choice of 22lr ammo. Sorry im not going to believe that for 1 second.

 

[27 Beck]

Hmm. Well I got no Recommended ammo list with my gun! And If I did I would not have bought it. When you pay $450.00 for a .22LR, It should shoot ANY 22LR ammo. I have a 10/22 that will spit just about anything I feed it! I have never experienced a OOB before I shot this 1522.I feel all this ammo talk is nonsense. Its just masking the problem that S&W knows they have with this gun.

Ever hear the old saying, "never believe everything you read"?
This is very true in must forums.

There are knowledgeable people on forums but you really have to weed through a lot of crap!

So don't try to tell me my OOB was caused by my choice of 22lr ammo. Sorry im not going to believe that for 1 second.

When you have some extra time, take a look over on the semi-auto pistol forum here. You will see that the Model 41 semi auto which sells for twice what a 15-22 costs, will function better with some kinds of ammo vs other kinds.

You can believe whatever you want. You seem to have your mind already made up.

 

[woodknack]

When you have some extra time, take a look over on the semi-auto pistol forum here. You will see that the Model 41 semi auto which sells for twice what a 15-22 costs, will function better with some kinds of ammo vs other kinds.

You can believe whatever you want. You seem to have your mind already made up.

I agree with you that each 22 is different and some shoot better or worse with different brand ammo.

I have a lot of 22's.

But you should not be getting OOB just because of brand of ammo. Sorry that's a guns fault.

 

[DasFriek]

If you expect all rimfire .22lr guns to work perfectly with any ammo you feed it, Then you haven't owned many rimfire guns.
But that only applies to feeding and ejecting due to shapes and powder loads.

Blown out cases and punctures ive been seeing aren't the ammo's fault.
That case didn't fire OOB imo, It was an unsupported case that caused the failure.
The only way most modern guns can fire OOB is by the primer being contacted by something else other than the firing pin, or a jambed firing pin which would go full auto usually.

These blown out cases look alot like the ones ive seen pic's of with the older gen Glock .40's which Glock never admitted too, But fixed threw revisions.
Its also possible the extractor is holding the cartridge from being fully pushed into the chamber allowing the blow out and taking its own life. That is technically OOB, But i call it an adjustment issue personally.

You know we can speculate all we want, Only S&W knows whats happening and seem to have the fix and have implemented it quickly and are fixing guns that did suffer issues fast with no hassles.

Trust me this could be alot worse had it been on another companies gun and warranty besides S&W. And remember this is a first release of a new gun and design, NO ONE gets it right perfectly on the first try.
Why do you always see people say they will buy one a year or 2 after something is released so all the bugs will be worked out by then?

I promise to feed mine a diet of anything i find and feel like buying just to see how it handles it. Its on its 5th or 6th type of ammo ive tried already and its all been good.
Don't buy Remington .22lr ammo for any gun, I cant stand a cartridge with a bullet that flops around on top of the case like a bobble head and im afraid it will fall out before i can even get it fired.

 

[woodknack]

If you expect all rimfire .22lr guns to work perfectly with any ammo you feed it, Then you haven't owned many rimfire guns.

I never said that It should work perfectly with any ammo. Please read my post before. I have alot of .22's this is not my first gun here.
What I said is if it says .22lr then you should be able to feed any .22lr ammo through it. I didn't say it will shoot one better then the other.
you should be able to put RGB to CCI's in it and have no casing blow before the bullet is seated and you pull the trigger!

So please no more blaming ammo for this issue.

ammo is a whole other thread. As im sure has already been talked to death here.

 

[Thomas_H]

Those are some of the best pictures I've seen yet of the OOB aftermath.

If you haven't cleaned the rifle yet, any chance you could post a pic of the breech face with the cartridge removed?

 

[Thomas_H]

Its also possible the extractor is holding the cartridge from being fully pushed into the chamber allowing the blow out and taking its own life. That is technically OOB, But i call it an adjustment issue personally.

If the extractor is able to hold the cartridge in a way that it's not fully chambered, it's not a problem with the extractor, it's a problem with the bolt. Specifically, it's a head space problem, and it's a very real possibility.

However, it looks like the cartridge was 1/8" to 3/16" out of the chamber when it ruptured. That leads me to believe either it didn't go all the way into battery, or it didn't stay in battery long enough. If the rifle isn't staying in battery long enough, you should be able to see over-pressure signs on other spent brass (bulging, distortion near the rim).

 

[Jswiney9]

what you have looks to me like an unsupported case, i know that you dont want to blame the ammo. but if you have any of those shells left i would check the bullets and make sure they are seated properly. now im not saying thats what it is, but from past experience it looks like what the RGB's used to do in every gun i tried to shoot them out of. i know 6 different guns didnt have a problem with the bolt. and i realize that what you are shooting isnt RGB's but it looks very very familiar to me in a very very bad way. good luck with getting it worked out though. the only good thing about these guns messing up is that THEY ARE S&W they will take care of you

sorry, didnt see dasfriek's post above, seems im not as crazy as i thought.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Hmm. Well I got no Recommended ammo list with my gun! And If I did I would not have bought it. When you pay $450.00 for a .22LR, It should shoot ANY 22LR ammo. I have a 10/22 that will spit just about anything I feed it! I have never experienced a OOB before I shot this 1522.I feel all this ammo talk is nonsense. Its just masking the problem that S&W knows they have with this gun.

Ever hear the old saying, "never believe everything you read"?
This is very true in must forums.

There are knowledgeable people on forums but you really have to weed through a lot of crap!

So don't try to tell me my OOB was caused by my choice of 22lr ammo. Sorry im not going to believe that for 1 second.

You won't get any argument from me about the OOB frequency of the 15-22. It's way out of whack from my experience with .22lr.

That being said.... from the OOB reports which have been streaming daily into this Forum for months, there are definite patterns--- Rem GB is a notorious killer. Fed Val Pack is rarely reported with an OOB incident, neither is CCI.

I have been using Fed Val Pack from the start. 13k rounds so far and zero FTE; zero FTF and zero OOB. I get about 1% FTL (mag snags).

So... you can stuff all sorts of ammo thru your 15-22 and have a 'crappy' day at the range, then come here to complain and weed through more of what you think is 'crap'. Or, you can use the cheapest stuff there is to buy (Fed Val Pack) and have a blast.

 

[Jswiney9]

You won't get any argument from me about the OOB frequency of the 15-22. It's way out of whack from my experience with .22lr.

That being said.... from the OOB reports which have been streaming daily into this Forum for months, there are definite patters--- Rem GB is a notorious killer. Fed Val Pack is rarely reported with an OOB incident, neither is CCI.

I have been using Fed Val Pack from the start. 13k rounds so far and zero FTE; zero FTF and zero OOB. I get about 1% FTL (mag snags).

So... you can stuff all sorts of ammo thru your 15-22 and have a 'crappy' day at the range, then come here to complain and weed through more of what you think is 'crap'. Or, you can use the cheapest stuff there is to buy (Fed Val Pack) and have a blast.

oh yes, please dont take my post wrong there is most definitely something going on with the gun there should be no reason that a gun that we spend our hard earned money on shouldnt perform flawlessly. i agree with you 110% there, it just seems from my talking here/elsewhere that there is a combination of factors going into this gun failing to be perfect for everyone. ammo is a definite factor.

 

[woodknack]

If the extractor is able to hold the cartridge in a way that it's not fully chambered, it's not a problem with the extractor, it's a problem with the bolt. Specifically, it's a head space problem, and it's a very real possibility.

However, it looks like the cartridge was 1/8" to 3/16" out of the chamber when it ruptured. That leads me to believe either it didn't go all the way into battery, or it didn't stay in battery long enough. If the rifle isn't staying in battery long enough, you should be able to see over-pressure signs on other spent brass (bulging, distortion near the rim).

That was exactly what I was thinking. A problem with the bolt being out of timed so to speak. This is probably another reason people are getting there guns back from S&W with new blue springs. Yes here is a picture of the 22lr case. The bullet went off before it got seated in the barrel.

 

[woodknack]

Those are some of the best pictures I've seen yet of the OOB aftermath.

If you haven't cleaned the rifle yet, any chance you could post a pic of the breech face with the cartridge removed?

I have not cleaned the rifle yet. Looks like the breech is fine to me. Here is a picture of it anyway.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

oh yes, please dont take my post wrong there is most definitely something going on with the gun there should be no reason that a gun that we spend our hard earned money on shouldnt perform flawlessly. i agree with you 110% there, it just seems from my talking here/elsewhere that there is a combination of factors going into this gun failing to be perfect for everyone. ammo is a definite factor.

Right. So until S&W has an "updated to latest spec" version of the 15-22 that proves to work well with a wide array of ammo, selection will be key to mitigating malfunction issues.