Originally posted by No30:
That's why you should avoid Glocks. Every time the trigger moves to the rear they make a loud noise and a cone shaped lead thing flies out the front. Far too dangerous, if you ask me.
I wonder how many will truthfully say....
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My director shot himself through his foot early in his career. Clearly management material, he quickly moved through the ranks to, well, being The Director.
We've had lots of accidental shootings, some blood, a few wounds and no deaths I can think of, except for the rare suicide. Only 1 Glock shooting I know of, the others were other weapons. The Glock thing isn't a problem in my work place.
We've had lots of accidental shootings, some blood, a few wounds and no deaths I can think of, except for the rare suicide. Only 1 Glock shooting I know of, the others were other weapons. The Glock thing isn't a problem in my work place.
Originally posted by John R:
YOUR RIGHT ON..... BUY AMERICAN.... SHOOT A REVOLVER.....Originally posted by No30:
That's why you should avoid Glocks. Every time the trigger moves to the rear they make a loud noise and a cone shaped lead thing flies out the front. Far too dangerous, if you ask me.
Within a few weeks of Arizona DPS (Highway Patrol for us older guys) going to Glocks (I don't remember the model), a couple of officers were involved in a high speed pursuit (traffic offense only) west of Phoenix. When they got the two teenagers stopped, they had them out of the car "in the position" at gunpoint. Sadly, under the influence of adrenalin stemming from the excitement of the chase, one of the officers accidentally gripped his weapon too firmly (obviously including his trigger finger in his grip tightening), and the result was a dead teenager who's crime was speeding, then running from the DPS. It was a devastating situation for the kid's family and the officers who had stopped him (especially for the one who's weapon had been discharged). IMHO, the Glock "safe action" design is a ND trying, not waiting, to happen. YMMV.
Gov't Cheese
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I readily admit to being a Glockoholic and I carry one daily. I also admit to have dropped my G26 a couple of times when changing pants. I've never had any accidental discharges but I almost had an involuntary bowel movement the first time that I dropped the Glock!
flop-shank
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I don't tell other gun guys that they shouldn't carry Glocks, but I question their use by rank and file law enforcement and security types. Some people are perfectly fine and safe with them, but Glocks aren't for me. I like a long, heavy revolver-type trigger. I'm more concerned with my carry guns being of a type that I can live with, more than being easy to shoot well and fast on the range. Glocks just don't have enough "fudge factor" to make me comfortable. YMMV
I don't have a glock, shot a friends once.
I wasn't impressed - I had many failures to fire because of light hits on the primer. I finally figured out the slide wasn't fully RTBing. Then I was really bothered that the design would allow it to fire in that condition.
I also hated that long trigger pull. But I like my autos to be single action.
I've never seen anyone have an AD/ND with one though.
I wasn't impressed - I had many failures to fire because of light hits on the primer. I finally figured out the slide wasn't fully RTBing. Then I was really bothered that the design would allow it to fire in that condition.
I also hated that long trigger pull. But I like my autos to be single action.
I've never seen anyone have an AD/ND with one though.
mnhntr
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i just watched a video on youtube where a female deputy accidentily discharged her glock while pointing in the general direction of her partner cuffing a suspect on the ground. luckily no one seemed hit
marvin knox
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+1 from me!
I like a little more fudge room myself. But then I stay away from almost all autos. I do have a little Ruger LCP with about a 14" trigger pull to set it off. I'm OK with that one.
Something about a good revolver gets me purring. Some people like to curl up with a good brick - but I like something with a few more curves.
Gov't Cheese
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She shouldn't had her finger on the trigger while pointing at her partner. The finger is the main safety on any firearm.
Bobwtn
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We have had cops, yes COPS, have numerous accidents in TN with Glocks since they started carrying them. I have two and I highly respect them. If chambered, then best place is the holster. Too often, cops get nervous, have it in their hand and then boom, "Oh it just went off" or "I tripped going in the door". Unfortunately, a couple resulted in totally unnecessary death, one to a woman sleeping on a couch. In some places, cops laid their Glock on the coffee table and their 3 y/o toddler came by and touched it, in one case I think it was a middle TN officer that was shot and died due to his neglect and his poor, but curious child. Cops are more dangerous than us as a rule, and I should know, I was one for 9 yrs.
norfdet
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I've never seen a "accidental" discharge but I have seen a few "negligent" discharges.
armybass
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I carry a Glock and or a S&W revolver everyday and I don't see where I have a better chance of an AD with one over the other.
I have personally witnessed two negligent discharges involving Glocks, both of which ocurred during administrative handling. In each case the operator had his FINGER ON THE TRIGGER. Let me be clear: the operator pulled the trigger and the loaded pistol fired, 100% certain.
Go figure.
I have witnessed a few other NDs, including a round from a M39 that ended up in my refrigerator after leaving the comfort of my neighbor's home. The direct result of a careless, stupid mistake that could have ended tragically. Instead, it became for both of us a lesson not to be forgotten. It has been many years, but I always offer him a warm beer whenever he stops by. Our little "inside" joke but a gentle reminder just the same.
Post #42 is particularly good reading.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/729088/posts
I'd carry a stout stick with a rock for a backup, but I have yet to find examples of either that have a safety and Alessi does not make suitable holsters for such weapons.
Go figure.
I have witnessed a few other NDs, including a round from a M39 that ended up in my refrigerator after leaving the comfort of my neighbor's home. The direct result of a careless, stupid mistake that could have ended tragically. Instead, it became for both of us a lesson not to be forgotten. It has been many years, but I always offer him a warm beer whenever he stops by. Our little "inside" joke but a gentle reminder just the same.
Post #42 is particularly good reading.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/729088/posts
I'd carry a stout stick with a rock for a backup, but I have yet to find examples of either that have a safety and Alessi does not make suitable holsters for such weapons.
People always trash Glocks for their trigger systems, but never seem to mention the M&P, Springfield XD, Walther P99QA, Sig DAK pistols...need I continue? I haven't started carrying my M&P yet, but the answer to the so-called "Glock ND issue" is simple: keep your finger off the trigger. If you really feel uncomfortable with it you can always install a Glock NY trigger or an M&P MA trigger, both make the pull weight heavy enough that you really have to mean it to pull the trigger. That being said, my standard M&P trigger is heavy enough that if I were careless and left my finger on the trigger I doubt it would go off without me realizing the I was pulling the trigger.
If you follow all of the safety rules, it is impossible to have an accidental discharge. This thread says a lot more about some of the people that are carrying Glocks and their training than it says about Glocks as a tool. This is probably why cops carry sticks and not guns in GB.
Somehow, it would seem that it is impossible for everyone to follow all of the rules all of the time. That is why one must treat every gun as loaded, whether it is or not. That is why one points "UNLOADED" guns in a safe direction at all times. That is why we don't handle guns when it is not convenient to keep them pointed in a safe direction throughout the unloading process, and following it, as well.
Many of us on this forum, myself included, have had one negligent discharge, or perhaps even more. When this happens, it will be a very unpleasant surprise, but it need not be a disaster.
In no way do I disagree with the obvious truth of MajorDude's statement; I only say that experience has shown that some (most?) folks occasionally make a mistake, and that, too, must be planned for.
samuelrp
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The Glock is as safe as a revolver. It will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. When I was a kid I shot a window out in the porch with my bb gun. This taught me an important lesson. When I take my Glock apart for cleaning, I always open the back door and point it at the ground before pulling the trigger. (must be done to remove the slide)
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