I Wonder What Has Happened To Kimber?

Kimber lost a lot of the 1911 crowd because of the Schwartz grip safety that locks the firing pin but I thought that was a pretty good idea.

Somebody who is a hell of a lot smarter and more knowledgeable than I am once explained to me that the Schwartz safety was a gizmo that required quite a bit of hand-fitting in order to work reliably. It was not compatible with mass production. Which is why it went buh-bye over 75 years ago when the Army wanted a lot of new 1911A1s.

The upshot of the discussion was that if a heavy firing pin spring and a titanium firing pin wasn't enough to get into one's comfort zone, then a Series 80 system was the only way to go.
 
Kimber Ultra CDP II

I purchased my 3" Ultra over 16 years ago. Fired well over 2 thousands, replaced a recoil spring, but never had a FTF or a FTE. The small Kimber is the most reliable .45, in my opinon, that you can buy. I use it as my daily carry.
 

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I guess I haven't paid attention to Kimber ads lately, or their absence. Perhaps its kind kind of like Colt not spending money on ads for years since they couldn't supply guns to meet any additional sales ads might generate anyway? I see a lot of negativity toward Kimber, perhaps deserved, I don't know. I've owned, and experienced warranty issues of one kind or another with most major manufacturers' 1911 type pistols. Most recently a couple of Colts. Though I've owned a half dozen Kimbers over the last ~15 years, I've never had to send a Kimber in for any type of warranty service. Perhaps my recent production Kimber will disintegrate or begin malfunctioning tomorrow. If so, as a public service I will alert everyone here;)
 
I have a 20 year old Kimber Custom II .45 that is about as accurate as any 1911 I have ever fired including high end Colts and custom jobs. Kimber lost a lot of the 1911 crowd because of the Schwartz grip safety that locks the firing pin but I thought that was a pretty good idea. Springfield and many others use a light weight firing pin and no firing pin safety. I will also say that I bought an American Classic 1911 that was made in the Phillipines that is dang near as good as the Kimber for a whole lot less money.

You can get a Kimber without the safety you describe (models without the II right after).
 
After getting my first (and last) Kimber home I discovered that the main spring housing was plastic, I called them to complain about a $1,000 gun with a plastic part, she told me to send it back and for $35 they would replace it with a metal one.
 
VAPA, Most of my Colts have for years had plastic mainspring housings,as did a couple of my STIs, and yes Kimbers. I was initially offended by the plastic MSHs and did replace some. Now, I don't get excited about it as none has ever given any trouble in any way. If a plastic MSH causes a gun to be your first and last, stay away from many of the Colt and STI models too...
 
I bought a Kimber .45 custom classic when they first came out in 1994. Changed the front sight to "Ashley bigdot" and stay horn grips. T service s me well but my new favorite is Sig P320sc. Support NRA to protect our
Second. Amend rights!!!
 
I have 2 Kimbers & have had no problems....VIS35,that "goofy"gun you are talking about has been given high marks for those who have shot it!Overpriced....maybe....but I think Wilson &Nighthawks are overpriced!
I'm waiting to see how this Kimber performs before I make any judgements!
Jim
 
I have but one Kimber, purchased new in 2001. This compact stainless model has been a perfectly-performing discreet carry pistol from the get-go. It's my favorite carry 1911-style pistol, and it conforms to John Browning's original mechanical specs.

I sent the slide back to Kimber to install some tritium sights; they did a great job and had it back to me within a week.

Can't speak for recent manufacture, but this one is just fine.

John

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I have also noticed the reduction in Kimber ads mainly because they seemed to own the back cover and inside front cover of many gun mags. I have two full size target models in 45ACP and a 4" stainless defense carry gun. All were bought in the 1990s and run great.

Also, you all may remember Colt went bankrupt in 2015(one of the many times they filed Chapter 11) and reorganized their debt. Since they came out of BK they have been introducing new models and advertising in the gun mags. Maybe they just out bid Kimber for space.

PS Don't throw dirt in Kimber's face yet. The new Guns and Ammo came in the mail today. Kimber has the entire outside back cover.
 
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I have a super match II. It was probably overpriced, has a lot of trinkets I can do without (mag well, ambi and extended safety, full length guide rod), lots of MIM internals. It has the Swartz safety, which I would prefer not to have. But it is accurate enough for bullseye at 50 yds and has never let me down.
 
They don't seem to be the same quality that they used to be. Then again, not much is these days.
I'll stick with my S&W and Sig 1911's for current production out of the box quality.
 
The September issue of GUNS & AMMO has Kimber's ad on the rear cover. All must be well in Yonkers.
 
I own a TLEII because my wife wanted a Kimber :)

For about the same money I would have bought a STI Spartan. I had a Springfield Loaded but the black coating flaked off far too easily. Heresy, but for a single stack .45 I'd rather have a SIG P220 SAO. Like an idiot I sold my P220 SA/DA a few years back, the most accurate centerfire handgun I've ever owned.

I think it's a pretty good 1911, not a great value though and we all know about Kimber's (non) service department. Was disappointed by the in-the-white barrel on a $900 handgun.
 
The September issue of GUNS & AMMO has Kimber's ad on the rear cover. All must be well in Yonkers.

Speaking of Yonkers, I have to wonder, in anti-gun NYC where most people don't have the privilege of owning a gun, just how knowledgeable and skilled their workers are?

We're not talking about housewives slapping together a 10-22. This is supposed to be a premium handgun that's priced accordingly. You would expect someone assembling it to say, "Hmmm, no, I don't think the sum of these particular parts is going to reliably work out, let me try a different part."

If only they could get back to the roots of their Clackamas (Oregon) days.
 
Speaking of Yonkers, I have to wonder, in anti-gun NYC where most people don't have the privilege of owning a gun, just how knowledgeable and skilled their workers are?

Yonkers is not part of NYC. Even if it were, I can't see any correlation between local gun laws and intelligence and skills of the workers. Those sky-scrapers didn't build themselves. :)
 
Except sky scrapers are not 1911s. Big Apples and oranges (pun intended).

The point is, what is the skill set of the workers making a premium 1911?

Are they skilled gun fitters who know all the nuances of how to properly build a 1911?

Or are they relying on unskilled or semi-skilled workers and are counting on ISO-9001 specs or whatever to make up the difference? If this is the case, it would explain a lot with 1911s from various premium builders that require break in periods.
 
Geographic Advertising

Advertisers have the option of placing ads for magazine distribution right down to the zip code. I'm not saying that it happened in this instance but perhaps market research showed Kimber to have a weak customer base in your area so they pulled the ads---again, in your area.
I placed ads for a holster manufacturer I once worked for and ad space, especially in American Rifleman, can be frightfully expensive.
 
I think they look good but I will not buy them . Had CDP few years ago the hammer would follow the slide down sent it back, had Cus tac 2 jammer ,friends Kimber broke hammer . I have 1st Warrior out and never had a problem with it but Iam afraid to buy any now .
 
Kimber 45s

When I first read this thread a couple weeks back I was tempted to comment then but changed my mind as it is going to be a little negative but I decided I "do" have a few things to say about my Kimber experience. So here goes: I remember reading one of the earliest if not the earliest gun mag articles which I believe was in Shooting Times and I believe the article was by Metcalf in which he stated this was the most accurate standard production 1911 he had ever encountered. He also happened to mention something to the effect that it was shooting high or low(don`t remember which) but a "quick call to Kimber" and they would replace the front sight to achieve poa/poi. So based on this glowing recommendation I happened to purchase one of the first Kimber Customs. Well,mine was similar in a way to the test gun as it was shooting low by 6-8 inches at 25 yards...so I called Kimber service to inquire about a new front sight and this was the first they had heard of the supposed different front sights. I wound up filing the sight down myself to raise point of aim. Secondly,this pistol couldn`t have been akin to the most accurate standard production 1911 as it had a hard time feeding even hardball. Down the road that pistol went.

Some time later I acquired a NIB Kimber Heritage Edition. This pistol was after Kimber had switched to Series II but held to the original Series 70 model.It was named Heritage Edition as Kimber donated $200 for each of these(1100 units?) to the Heritage Foundation. It had 30 line checkering,ambi safety,beautiful grips. Shot and functioned great. Decided I wanted night sights and sent it back to Kimber for them and also had the slide KimPro`ed and an Ed Brown grip safety installed. To the person who earlier mentioned his dislike of KimPro I agree wholeheartedly. It didn`t look good from the get go and while it hasn`t flaked off it seems to wear off faster than the regular finish. An overall good shooting, never fail pistol...I`ll come back to this one later.

Somewhere in the in-between years of the above pistols I purchased a Kimber Compact(steel) that happened to have an external extractor. It did everything you would want a pistol to do. I liked it quite a bit and had night sights installed and sent it to Gemini Custom for 25 line checkering.I had earlier had an Ed Brown grip safety installed by Kimber. Shot and functioned perfectly except...it developed a bad habit with age of ejecting spent brass in my forehead. It didn`t do this in the beginning,it actually would pile up brass in the 2:00-3:00 o`clock area. But,with a little use and age it it started the forehead/eyes thing(thank goodness I always wear shooting glasses). I read on the web somewhere that Kimber essentially had a campaign on the external extractor and would replace with a conventional slide but it turned into a complete new gun as they would only do the work to return the frame to original(no Ed Brown). They made it as I had it with checkering and the night sights but no Ed Brown and if I recall I paid $275= new pistol. It runs and shoots great and the only thing I have done over the years is put a Wilson flat wire recoil spring system in as conventional springs are recommended to be replaced every 7-800 rounds.

Now,back to the Heritage Edition. I have been shooting striker fired pistols quite a bit over the last 10-15 years and probably have developed a little bit of trigger staging for follow up shots. I typically carry a M&P Compact or a Shield and whenever I go shooting I always shoot at least one or both of these pistols. Earlier this year I happened to bring along the Kimber as I had not shot it in quite a while. I had basically what you would call a 'double', a second shot that went off in the recoil arc. SCARY! So I made it a point to bring only it and the Kimber compact next time out and concentrate on trigger control. Well,it happened again. Had some part become so glazed/worn over or was it me ? I contacted Kimber, told them my "problem" and sent it in. They receive my pistol and if a `smith ever looked at it I could not tell you as they immediately went into sales pitch replacing it with a new Series II pistol (Series 80) at no cost. I asked them to look into it and they refused and I said send it back! They did and sent a service memo stating "do not load or use"and telling me I am responsible for all future use. They are definitely getting off the bus as far as liability goes. This is on a pistol that they birthed and sold and did all work on up to the point where they refused to look at it. Upon receiving it back I bent the trigger spring and created more tension and have had no problems since. Probably should have done that in the beginning and saved freight and insurance.

So to recap my Kimber experience I have owned 4 Kimbers. Still have 2 and consider them excellent pistols. The original Classic not so good. The first Compact was no doubt for them a trial to be better and probably cheaper in manufacturing that didn`t work out. I`m satisfied with the trade made from the service department for the 2nd Compact. Indeed I`m pleased with the service department until the last time when it appears a lawyer now manages it. The most notable statements from the reps for the Compact replacement and the Heritage non service is that the frame had been altered via the Ed Brown replacement parts...grip safetys which their service department did. It appears they want to disavow their previous work and possibly their initial first series 70 pistols. I wonder if Mr. Brown knows the disdain that his parts are held in by Kimber ? As for my Heritage, I consider it a wonderful pistol even with a slightly heavier trigger. But I`m done with Kimber. John
 

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