IF componants were banned.

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Hello from Kalifornia. We are only going to be able to buy handgun ammo over the counter in 2012.
If this is ever (never say never) extended to a ban on components etc. , what would you stock up on? beside the obvious primers, powder and cases. I have extended my trove to springs, firing pins, and other common parts.
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Too late, if I live another twenty year's Im covered. However if I was to be caught short stocked I would load up.
 
Personally, I have bullet molds for all handgun calibers that I use, and about 300 lbs. of bullet metal. Pretty good supply of primers, powders, brass on hand. Lots of .22LR ammo.

If ratified, the UN Treaty on Small Arms contains provisions requiring licensing of anyone who reloads ammunition, restrictions on types and quantities of ammunition, etc. I guess if I'm going to be classified as a criminal, I might as well be a criminal on a world basis.

I find it funny that politicians think that they can ban anything without creating a black market. Existing organizations providing illegal drugs, together with the Crips/Bloods/MS-13 and others will undoubtedly jump into arms and ammunition smuggling.

All the laws in the world will never affect anyone other than the law-abiding citizenry. Criminals, by definition, violate laws.
 
When I first moved to Mexico, you could buy powder for shotguns (which is pistol powder essentially) in some of the Sporting Goods stores. I even saw some cheap LEE loaders for sale. Then, after the Chiapas "Revolution" in 93-94, the Army moved on it's own accord to confiscate ALL reloading materials from the stores and instituted a "non-Constitutional Ban" on reloading. If you were caught SMUGGLING powder and primers, the jail term was immediate and long.

Now, I have been TOLD by people who do not live in Mexico that reloading is banned in Mexico. In fact, it is NOT banned, and is quite legal according to the Federal Firearms law. The Army, however, has "prohibited" reloading and you are swimming up-river trying to take them on.

Anyways, you don't need to. Price drives the market, and people are willing to pay 5 times the store-price for primers and powder and so they arrive. Figure it out. If the ONLY ammo they'll sell you (from limited stores, let me tell you) costs you 35.00 dollars per box of 50 .38 Special shells, you might as well invest 300.00 dollars to buy a pound of Bullseye and 2,000 primers and reload 40 boxes at a cost of 7.50 per box.

You guys have a LONG way to go before you'll be anywhere as bad off as Mexico is right now, today, this minute as I sit here and type. And we're reloading. And "THEY" are doing everything they can to stop us, with no worries about Civil rights or laws or anything else -- and they are failing MISERABLY.

Now, if they banned the components COMPLETELY in the U.S., well, you'd have to get them from somewhere else, I suppose, and that would be a pain. Especially if they stopped manufacturing them. However, my point is, even under draconian censorship, reloading continues practically unabated.

I'll tell you a story: about 8 years ago, I was sitting out in my back patio casting up a storm. Doorbell rings, and it's my neighbour, come to borrow some coffee. He comes back to the patio, sits and chats for a while, and asks what I'm doing. I tell him I am casting bullets. "From what?" he asks.
"Wheelweights," I tell him.
"I thought you couldn't do things like that in Mexico." he retorted.
"Yeah," I snorted. "THEY would like it to end up that way."
I kept pounding out the bullets, 6 at a time, poured from the two Lyman pots I use so I never run out of lead due to an empty pot.
After a bit of pondering, he said; "So all these laws and everything...they really don't DO anything then, do they?"
"Well," I told him, "they make it more expensive. But they don't have the final end-effect they thought they'd get."

I would personally like the see the Mexican Army back off, and they might: they are losing the Drug War, and they CANNOT win with the cards they have. A loss will seriously devalue them politically in Mexico...and so far, THEY are the problem as far as the growth of Sport Shooting is concerned. On the other hand, it won't help much if there's no primers to be had anywhere, and because of the "O'Bombo Effect" there really aren't primers by the thousands in the stores for the smugglers to buy. Barack O'Bama did more to slow down the primer smuggling by just winning office than the Mexican Army has in 15 years of trying.

However, a win by the opposition in 2010 -- this year -- could swing the pendulum back to a more normal position as panic and worry could probably subside. AND the markets might come back better, jobs might come back better, what-have-you.

My point is, though, without standing too long on my soap-box, is that life (and reloading) goes on. Shooters are amazingly resilient and adaptable. I see this in Mexican Shooters, and the U.S./Canadian Shooters are equally so, if not more so. The morons in high-office CAN make life miserable, and they can certainly drive up the price...but stopping people from reloading is going to take more years than the current group has. But feel free to stock up anyway, I sure would if there was product around to buy.
 
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Hello from Kalifornia. We are only going to be able to buy handgun ammo over the counter in 2012.
If this is ever (never say never) extended to a ban on components etc. , what would you stock up on? beside the obvious primers, powder and cases. QUOTE]

I believe the new law will prohibit the mail order sales of powder, primers, bullets, cartridge cases, magazines, and speed loaders. These have to be bought at a state licensed dealer. Then you have a choice; pay the price or go home sucking your thumb.
 
"I believe the new law will prohibit the mail order sales of powder, primers, bullets, cartridge cases, magazines, and speed loaders. These have to be bought at a state licensed dealer. Then you have a choice; pay the price or go home sucking your thumb"

Do you have a place to go and read this? My understanding per the CalGuns site is it only covers Handgun ammo and not components.

The problem for CA gun owners is that a number of ammo retailers such as Walmart etc will just get out of the ammo selling instead of trying to jump through all the hoops. (logbook, fingerprinting)

You could order on line but it would have to go through a dealer and the added costs for "handling" will kill and price advantage
 
"I believe the new law will prohibit the mail order sales of powder, primers, bullets, cartridge cases, magazines, and speed loaders. These have to be bought at a state licensed dealer. Then you have a choice; pay the price or go home sucking your thumb"

Do you have a place to go and read this? My understanding per the CalGuns site is it only covers Handgun ammo and not components.

My understanding is that "ammunition" shall include, but not limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speed loader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a firearm with deadly consequence. The phrase "but not limited to" is broad enough that Sacramento will include primers, powder, and cartridge cases, since bullets, cartridges, and projectiles will be restricted. The anti-gunners in Sacramento have a year to really stick it to us.
 
What is really funny is that the new law is called the Anti-Gang Neighborhood Protection Act of 2009. It has nothing to do with gangs. It has nothing to do with protecting any neighborhoods. The only thing they got right was the year. It should have been called the Let's Stick It To Gun Owners Act of 2009.

To De Leon and Lowenthal, the co-authors of the the law, to every slimey politician who voted for it, to the Kennedy-esque governor who signed it into law; read my mind, because what I'm thinking would make Larry Flynt blush. The only thing I regret is that I won't live long enough to dance on your graves.
 
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