"IF I HAD A GUN"

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I just saw where 20/20 next Friday is titled "If I Had A Gun" and Diane Sawyer is goig to be reporting on how to respond to one of the crazies shooting innocent people if you had a gun. Got to remember to watch that one and see what kind of spin they put on it.
 
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I just saw where 20/20 next Friday is titled "If I Had A Gun" and Diane Sawyer is goig to be reporting on how to respond to one of the crazies shooting innocent people if you had a gun. Got to remember to watch that one and see what kind of spin they put on it.
 
Originally posted by bamabiker:
.. how to respond to one of the crazies shooting innocent people if you had a gun...
This is a question they are gonna pose on a TV show?

Kinda like asking how do you respond to a hotdog if you are hungry and someone hands you one...
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Well, gee. Lemme think about that one for a while...
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No way is this going to be anything but an anti-gun rant. 20-20 starts with the conclusion they want and then they tailor the "facts" to support the conclusion.
 
60 minutes, 20/20, Newsweek, Time etc....is ALL liberal...they have never and never will understand our position
 
Make no mistake, it is a total anti-gun hit piece.

I just saw an ad for it and it shows "what happens when you leave a gun unattended in your home". They plant a gun in a house with kids and hidden cameras, you can imagine the footage they were looking for.
 
I just saw a preview for this on the tail end of their report where they had some kid go buy a Glock at a VA gun show. Private party transfer, no NICS check, etc. He made the deal before he even got into the building. I heard some tie-in to the VA Tech shooter.

The Friday night show is also supposed to show how even if you had a gun, would you be able to effectively defend yourself. It looked like they had a room full of students and they strapped a semi-auto replica on some young girl who had a deer in the headlights look to start with. I turned to my wife and said that they don't obviously believe that training is a factor. The closest comparison I can make is, in an emergency if I needed medical attention could you hand a 10 year old the keys to my mini-van and ask him to drive me to the hospital? Based on the imagined outcome of that I guess we should conclude that cars serve no useful purpose either.
 
Originally posted by Broker57:
The closest comparison I can make is, in an emergency if I needed medical attention could you hand a 10 year old the keys to my mini-van and ask him to drive me to the hospital? Based on the imagined outcome of that I guess we should conclude that cars serve no useful purpose either.

Very good point.
If now we could only get you on the show.
But that would be bringing common sence into the media and we can't have that.
 
Jeb Stonewall/Broker57.
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Originally posted by Broker57:
"The closest comparison I can make is, in an emergency if I needed medical attention could you hand a 10 year old the keys to my mini-van and ask him to drive me to the hospital? Based on the imagined outcome of that I guess we should conclude that cars serve no useful purpose either."

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Originally posted by Jeb Stonewall
Very good point.
If now we could only get you on the show.
But that would be bringing common sence into the media and we can't have that."

Ya'll are so right. Political Correctness - The Media, are a double edged sword. Together they paint a picture for the American people. We need a spokesperson, who is recognized by the American People, to make people understand and agree with our position.
 
Originally posted by red14:
Jeb Stonewall/Broker57.
quote:
Originally posted by Broker57:
"The closest comparison I can make is, in an emergency if I needed medical attention could you hand a 10 year old the keys to my mini-van and ask him to drive me to the hospital? Based on the imagined outcome of that I guess we should conclude that cars serve no useful purpose either."

quote:
Originally posted by Jeb Stonewall
Very good point.
If now we could only get you on the show.
But that would be bringing common sence into the media and we can't have that."

Ya'll are so right. Political Correctness - The Media, are a double edged sword. Together they paint a picture for the American people. We need a spokesperson, who is recognized by the American People, to make people understand and agree with our position.

It's all just one more example of the media actively assisting Obama in implementing his leftist agenda.

A 'Responsible Media' now means 'making sure that the leftist agenda becomes reality'.

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You can bet next week's wages that the rhetorical "If I had a gun..." question will be answered by untrained idiots who spend their entire existence in Condition White, who have no firearms familiarity, no self-defense training, are probably "afraid" of guns, and will, if they're honest, admit the probability of peeing themselves vs. mounting a counter-offensive if faced with a massacre. I'd also bet that they will have at least one fat, unkempt, ill-dressed Michael Moore look-alike, Mall Ninja type carrying on in Ted Nugent huffing and puffing style about how he'd save the world with his Lorcin, if only he had the chance...
 
Originally posted by m1gunner:
Make no mistake, it is a total anti-gun hit piece.

I just saw an ad for it and it shows "what happens when you leave a gun unattended in your home". They plant a gun in a house with kids and hidden cameras, you can imagine the footage they were looking for.

Doubtless it slaughtered the entire family of its own volition, with particularly gruesome footage of the gun drinking the family dog's blood before going down to the basement to lay its eggs. The horror, the horror...
 
Originally posted by jkc:
. I'd also bet that they will have at least one fat, unkempt, ill-dressed Michael Moore look-alike, Mall Ninja type carrying on in Ted Nugent huffing and puffing style about how he'd save the world with his Lorcin, if only he had the chance...

Eh. I'd rather have a fat guy with a Lorcin and his Nugent shirt between and Johnny Crazed Murderer than nothing at all.
 
Originally posted by bamabiker:
I just saw where 20/20 next Friday is titled "If I Had A Gun" and Diane Sawyer is goig to be reporting on how to respond to one of the crazies shooting innocent people if you had a gun. Got to remember to watch that one and see what kind of spin they put on it.
No offense intended here. You watch it and report back how it was, I wouldn't watch a "news program" on the alphbet channels if they offered to pay for my house. I use the block feature on them so I don't even go by them channel surfing!
 
Originally posted by m1gunner:
Make no mistake, it is a total anti-gun hit piece.

I just saw an ad for it and it shows "what happens when you leave a gun unattended in your home". They plant a gun in a house with kids and hidden cameras, you can imagine the footage they were looking for.
NRA did a similar thing in conjunction with their Eddie Eagle Program. The children who had not been exposed to the program fooled around with the gun, pointing it and so on. The Eddie Eagle kids did what they were taught:

"STOP!
Don't Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult."

The Eddie Eagle program seems to work as well as any other program adequately tested under controlled group conditions.

The main trick the antis have is in the reporting of the number of "children" killed each year by firearms.

What constitutes a child?

What are the "Intents" of the deaths? (accidental, homicide, suicide, and so on.)

The Brady Campaign says "In 2005, almost eight young people aged 19 and under were killed a day in gun homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings in the United States. Many more were wounded. Clearly, our gun laws are not doing enough to protect children." without bothering to recognize that the age of adulthood us usually 17 or over and that a good many of these "children are gang bangers" and a very large proportion of the deaths are the consequence of someone's intent to use a firearm as the means to murder or to commit suicide. Already Brady, by its age 19 and under range has about 2900 "children" as opposed to 1490 17 and under reported by the Centers for Disease Control, a freebie gain of 600, 40% overstated.

The chart below compares several different intents and means through age 17: Notice how all the firearm rates grow cumulatively with age except the accidental deaths by firearms. The other "accidental means" reverse that shape and tail down with increasing age. It's also interesting to note that deaths in that age group from all firearm intents combined was 1,490, just above accidental suffocations!

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Now take a look at what the Bureau of Justice has to say about homicides, notice why 2005 is a good year for Brady subterfuge:

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<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Black males 18-24 years old have the highest homicide offending rates. Their rates are more than 3 times the rates of black males 14-17 years old and almost 5 times the rates of black males age 25 and older.
<LI>Young adults (18-24 years old) have the highest offending rates in each racial and gender group.
<LI>For black males 18-24 years old, offending rates declined after 1993 reaching a low in 2004. The rate increased in 2005.
<LI>For black male teens (14-17 years old), offending rates have increased since 2002 but remain relatively low compared to earlier periods.
<LI>For white male young adults (18-24 years old), offending rates fell to an all time low in 2005.
<LI>For black females of all age groups, offending rates declined since the early 1990's.
<LI>White females of all age groups experience the lowest offending rates.[/list]
These facts are what allow the Brady Campaign and other antis to skew the perception of actual data because they don't acknowledge the exaggerated contribution to their statement attributable to 18 and 19 year old offenders. To make matters worse, Brady's deliberately obscuring factors of race and age in these appalling Bureau of Justice data, where even one death is too many, is a direct barrier and assault on any serious potential social effort to address real problems generated, not by firearms in various social contexts, but by criminal behavior.

In order to contest the veracity and appropriateness of the Brady statement, an honest person has to bring up the subject of race as well as age. A very neatly devised trap in today's politically correct world.

I'll be most interested to see how the show presents info keeping these facts in mind for comparison. Anyone who is willing to take notes or record the show and make comments, that would be great. I may not be able to do either.
 
Originally posted by 7.62foryou:
Originally posted by bamabiker:
I just saw where 20/20 next Friday is titled "If I Had A Gun" and Diane Sawyer is goig to be reporting on how to respond to one of the crazies shooting innocent people if you had a gun. Got to remember to watch that one and see what kind of spin they put on it.
No offense intended here. You watch it and report back how it was, I wouldn't watch a "news program" on the alphbet channels if they offered to pay for my house. I use the block feature on them so I don't even go by them channel surfing!
No offense intendedhere but if you don't watch how do you know what they are saying. It is like a debate to me. I want to know what they are saying so I know how to respond to the people that I come in contact with that see programs like these and don't hear the other(our) side. Again, no offense intended.
 
No offense intendedhere but if you don't watch how do you know what they are saying. It is like a debate to me. I want to know what they are saying so I know how to respond to the people that I come in contact with that see programs like these and don't hear the other(our) side. Again, no offense intended

Because I,we already know what they are going to say. The same claptrap they've said for the last 30 years. If people don't watch them they will go away. It's not news,it's not reporting; it's where the truth lies!
 
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