If I were made a deputy in 1930.....***UPDATED see post #50

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....this could have been my rig.....and I would have been a lucky man to tote it around.

The gun is a 1930 or so 3rd Model HE44 aka Wolf & Klar. The blackjack or convoy is unmarked, but is in remarkable condition given it's age and occupation. The knuckles are unmarked, but plenty sturdy to do the job.

Why no cuffs you ask? Given the stated policy on escalation of force, no cuffs would be needed - you either cooperate, or ride the meat wagon to see the doc, and/or mortician :D

I think that now all I need to do is scrounge up a Tyler grip adapter and some period correct leather....I am keeping my fingers crossed that it letters to some Texas based LEO.....heck, any LEO history will to to stoke the fire of imagination in my feeble mind.

If you were a deputy in 1930 would this do for you? Maybe a nice lever gun to have as a back-up in the event of a riot? Maybe a model 11R Remington?

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Letter arrived - see post #50
 
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I've been looking for a 4" third model for several years. Either the guns aren't worth the asking price or I got there just in time to watch somebody else walk off with it. Oh well, que sera,sera. Congratulations Scott, great looking gun and accessories.
 
05CarbonDRZ said:
Where did You dig that One up from?

Here is mine with some fancy Shoes:
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I just LOVE these old Guns with the perfect amount of wear,You just can't replicate that look.
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Alex,

I found that within 10 minutes of the first day of Tulsa. I was speaking with a gentleman about his red doberman service dog and when I got to the far side of his table, there it was. A few minutes of back and forth negotiations and it was headed back with me. It is funny how it works out some times.

Yours is gorgeous, I couldn't bring myself to shoot yours with the ivories on it.

Thanks for sharing.
 
The HD is a great revolver, but heavy. Having carried revolvers back in the day, I found out what everyone who carries full time finds out - lighter is better.

In 1930, I think I would have gotten an OP, and loaded up with the 38/44 semi-wadcutter load. (Colt certified the Police Positive and the OP for the 38/44, and the FBI specified the 38/44 load with the Keith semi-wadcutter).
 
I don't shoot mine with those Ivories,They are just for showing off.I usually throw a set of Pre War Magna's with a Tyler-T Grip on for Shooting.The 4" Blued 3rd Model .44's are One of my Top Three favorite S&W's.
 
I wouldn't send it back. I'd add a nice folding knife with about a three inch blade and cuffs. They may be calm getting into the car, but sitting behind me unrestrained would be too big a temptation to try something stupid, I would think.
 
.455Eley said:
I wouldn't send it back. I'd add a nice folding knife with about a three inch blade and cuffs. They may be calm getting into the car, but sitting behind me unrestrained would be too big a temptation to try something stupid, I would think.
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If they were a problem, and we could not come to a resolution, they would ride in the passenger seat up front. You can then inform them that the whooping that occurred prior to the ride will be pale compared to the events that followed if they so much as looked like they were getting froggy.

Respect and Fear are in the same food group, both can be taught/learned through the judicious use and application of escalating force - take a hint from my grandmother - stop acting a like fool while stern looks and terse language are the means - it only goes downhill from there.

....and last I checked (I wasn't alive back then) the cars that were used by the LEO groups back then did not have a cage anyhow -> a prisoner riding up front gave you the ability to observe the **** before he fell into the punch bowl (again). You could always cuff them to the seat frame if they were really problematic. (failing that, locked in truck works too ;) )

and guys.....I am not nearly old enough to have been appointed a deputy in 1930, neither was my dad, or even his dad. This is just day dreaming. :)
 
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SA,

I don't believe the ivories are W&K (on the 3rd model pictured above) but, look to be about the correct vintage.

IF'n I were to have been Deputy'n back in the '30s, I might have went
with a ol example like this one....till I could have found a 3rd model. ;)






Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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As a 1930 era Deputy I would have chosen the same revolver in 44Special we are discussing. My good friend Shawn McCarver makes a valid point about wt. , but as this is The S&W Forum, the only Colt "allowed" to be carried as a deputy in that time period is the 1911 either in 45acp or 38 Super, anything else is clearly heresy! It actually is interesting to look at old photos of the day. Clearly, then as now, most of the "gunners" carried heavy calibers, but the vast majority of lawmen carried a mixture of guns and calibers ranging from 32 to the heavy 44's and 45's with a preponderance of 38's of one kind or another. Many had to supply their own and economics being what they were, used what they had or in some cases what they could borrow. If I served then, as I said earlier ,I would have chosen both a 4in. 44 Special and 45 acp 1911, a Remington Peace Officer Equipment Model 8 in 35 Rem. and a Rem. short barrel Model 11 12 Bore. I would have been well served then and quite frankly, would be good today with those same choices. All said and done, you got one very neat revolver that any of us would be proud to own. All my very best, Joe. PS. if it was later in the 30's I would have wanted to take a look at one of those hot ,new 357's that Smith was starting to sell.
 
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Ok, as friend Joe Kent very properly points out, it is heresy to mention a Colt OP in this thread.

So, how about the M&P, practice with RN and carry and occasionally shoot the 38/44.... (Yeah, I know, but a few a year to see where it is shooting will not hurt.)

The 1911 in either caliber seems like a good idea as well.

Thanks for straightening me out, Joe!!
 
Shawn, good advice as always, we did the same thing with our Model 19's{and yes, they beat the heck out of carrying 38.Cal N-Frames with everything else on the belt}. As an aside, I carried a number of "things" on my Sam Browne, but nothing like today's officers' do. While I will "never" admit it in polite company, the lighter plastic guns maybe make some sense. Did I just say that out loud? Forgive me my fellow revolver fans.
 
bettis1 said:
Scott,

If you chose to carry a W&K 3rd Model HE in 1930 you would be in good company. This one shipped from Ft. Worth on February 24, 1930 and was carried by a man who served as the Chief of Police in both Sherman and Kerrville, Tx.
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Bob
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Very cool Bob! Wish I could narrow mine down further.I know that the Sellers Grandfather was LE is Oklahoma City but I never got his Name...:(

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Toyman said:
Would this work for a 1930's deputy ?
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That is a outstanding package. My wife saw the photo and had to ask what the claw was for....I guess that we will have to demonstrate one to her next time we visit my dad.

And I would have easily gone with a 1911. They were a proven stopper then and still today - The Texas Rangers seemed to carry an awful lot of them, some in 38 Super (presumably to penetrate car bodies, early body armor ect).

thanks for sharing :)
 
bettis1 said:
Scott,

If you chose to carry a W&K 3rd Model HE in 1930 you would be in good company. This one shipped from Ft. Worth on February 24, 1930 and was carried by a man who served as the Chief of Police in both Sherman and Kerrville, Tx.
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Bob
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Bob,

I love that 'pawnshop' engraving. At Tulsa, there was a gentleman that was trying to describe the process.....he said the machine looked like a sewing machine.

Kerrville you say? We stay at a Hotel there when we visit Luchenbach to see a live show.....I think that the whole town of Luchenbach is a 51% zone, I won't be toting around those parts....Is the photo from Kerrville? How much of the history behind the man and the gun do you have? I would love to hear the story if you have the desire to share with us. :)


ETA - I just noticed the mechanical siren mounted on the PASSENGER side running board. I'm in the business of emergency vehicles and I would almost always prefer that the siren be mounted as close to the front of the vehicle as possible and if I could not get it in the center, I would prefer the driver's side to help warn oncoming cars....maybe the folks on the sidewalk needed warning too?
 
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To be honest,It does not get shot much.I have another "plain" Nickel 5" 3rd Model .44 that I shoot.I actually just shot about 75rds through it Yesterday.This engraved W&K has been shot by me to make sure that's it's fully functioning but now lives in the Safe.When I do shoot it the Pearls are taken off,They are original W&K and are also original to this Gun...No way I am risking cracking them.
 
Scott,

The pictures were in Sherman, Tx when Grady Thompson was the chief there. The story is told in an article that I wrote in Volume 47, Number 2 (Summer 2013 edition) of the S&WCA Journal if you have that. The title is: RANGERS, RIOTS, AND A WOLF & KLAR .44 - (WHAT A WAY TO START A CAREER!)

Bob
 
bettis1 said:
Scott,

The pictures were in Sherman, Tx when Grady Thompson was the chief there. The story is told in an article that I wrote in Volume 47, Number 2 (Summer 2013 edition) of the S&WCA Journal if you have that. The title is: RANGERS, RIOTS, AND A WOLF & KLAR .44 - (WHAT A WAY TO START A CAREER!)

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Bob,

I don't think that I was a SWCA member then, but I will look and see.....my wife 'hides' stuff like the journal from me.

Next show in SATX that you and I both attend, we should make arrangements to sit down and have a cup of coffee or Dr Pepper weather dependent, and swap some stories.

I am really wanting to get a TX based group of the SWCA members together for a 'over 50' shoot (the guns, not the guys). I can envision a mild spring day with a bunch of Texas boys out shooting wheel guns and enjoying some good vittles :D
 
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