If you had to go to prison would you consider taking your own life?

they'd play hell catching me. I'm half a days drive from Mexico, and I'd not bother crossing at a bridge. My wife's from Mexico, so it wouldn't be like we'd be starting from scratch. I'd just have to do my best to fit in after joining up with the wife and kids in Michoacan at some later date.


One of the great myths today is you can simply flee to Mexico to avoid prosecution here in the US. Unfortunately it isn't true. Mexico doesn't want you and will go to great lengths to release you to the US. In the meantime you sit in a Mexican prison. Interesting place, a Mexican prison. Unless you have someone providing you with food, blankets etc., and most important, money you mostly rot there. If you speak Spanish and can hustle you might just get by but it is no place for a gringo.

I wish the US would work as hard at returning Mexican criminals as Mexico does at returning ours. The one exception is if you are facing the death penalty which Mexico does not have or endorse. In that case you stay in a Mexican prison...and rot there. While Mexican laws have only recently begun to change from the old Napoleonic system of you are guilty until proven innocent, and improvements in the accused rights are on the horizon, these changes are coming very slowly. Even more slowly for gringos.

About 10 years ago while on a delivery from Cabo to the San Diego the owner of the boat lost his best friend overboard in a remote, isolated anchorage, known for drug smuggling. No witnesses and no trace of the body was ever found despite a massive air/sea/shore search. His family, multimillionaires with lots of political juice, said it was murder in the first. Despite not even being on the boat at the time my crew and I were treated as suspects. We spent thirteen days chained to the dock in Cabo while every cop in the pueblo and the DA himself crawled all over the boat at will, at all hours. After a couple of Senators/Congressmen, the FBI and the US Consulate got involved the Mexican authorities released the boat to me, (and believe me they were NOT happy about it!). My buddy and I bashed up the Baja over the next ten days - think the not so perfect storm for 6 of them. We arrived in San Diego to be greeted by US Customs, complete with drug sniffing dog, USCG Special investigations Team along with the FBI.

Eighteen months later after three requests under the Freedom of Information Act the Justice Department finally released their report to me, all 355 pages. They had gone to the US Attorney seeking a murder indictment against the boat owner and named my crew and I as co-conspirators. It was rejected for lack of evidence.

I still think it was a careless accident and nothing more but then I wasn't on scene when it went down. If the supposed dead guy ever turns up we all will have "a lot of splaining to do" as the case was dismissed without prejudice.

A couple of months later a gringo called the widow claiming he had seen the missing man in Cabo and would lead her to him for $5,000. Unfortunately for him the FBI had a wiretap on her phone and set up a sting with the Mexican authorities. He was last seen in Mexican custody being led out of a bar in Cabo where the meet had been set up.

Sorry for the felony thread drift but until you have spent a few weeks in a third world country, presumed guilty of a capitol crime it is hard to imagine the consequences of "fleeing to Mexico" being a solution to a US judicial problem.

Some day I am going to finish this tale as a novel suitable for B movie. As Peewee Herman said "I lived it!"
 
Sorry for the felony thread drift but until you have spent a few weeks in a third world country, presumed guilty of a capitol crime it is hard to imagine the consequences of "fleeing to Mexico" being a solution to a US judicial problem.

Some day I am going to finish this tale as a novel suitable for B movie. As Peewee Herman said "I lived it!"
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That is one hell of a story to tell, go for the movie!!! And make sure it says, "True Story". I normally only watch true stories.

You could have easily been thrown in jail down there as an inocent man, left to rot as you said. Dang, you are one lucky guy.

Joe
 
Originally posted by duckloads:
I hope I really never have to answer this question

Dito brother. But like one said, if they come for my guns....well, I would not try to take a LEO out, he or she has a family and they did not make the law, only inforcing it. Hell, my Major son who's in the ANG could knock on my door some day and say hand them over, don't think I'd take him on. But then, the states always bring in the guard from other states to prevent a family thing like that.

Thanks for all the replies, it is a scary thing to think about and any of use could be falsely accused. Like 29 said, "if you cant do the time dont do the crime." I'd bet my wifes best dog that everyone on this site are the last ones on earth to do any kind of crime. Execpt a speeding ticket maybe.

Thanks again, I hope I to never have to address this question either.

Joe
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Joe
 
What Senior said.
BTW-If SBC is used it's usually just because they don't have the balls to do it to themselves. And in so doing having elected to ruin someone else's life for a few years while they get over the fact of having to have zip you.
 
My bosses son was convected of shooting at someone and got a prison sentence, not sure how many years. For some reason they let him spend one night at home with his parents. That night he took his own life.

That is very sad. Prison isn't really that bad because they'll classify you according to your temperament and will try to fit you in with similar people. There is life in prison, and life after prison. It's not really a snake pit anymore.
 
Originally posted by Raider:
When you read what Senior Citizen has to say, it makes you reconsider your options.

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I've got a few more minutes to fully explain my thoughts now.....

When I mentioned I had 3 retirement checks coming in I wasn't bragging. I will soon have a Social Security check coming in as well. It is my understanding that most anything short of capitol murder and I get to keep the retirement checks I have earned. Now, having said that, I would be willing to stick it out for a great length of time in prison so long as my wife contiued to draw my retirement. Even if she diviorced me for doing such a bad thing. I'm the one that screwed up, so why should she suffer or be deprived because I did bad? I want that money to be spent on college educations, Red Ryder BB guns, and Barbie Dolls for the kids.

When I got almost to the end of my life insurance policy and knowing that she would still be able to draw my SS.........odds are good that I and a couple of child molesters are going to see the Pearly Gates!

A man or a woman will do a lot for their families and I'm no different. Life without parole for a crime I know I did and was truthfully convicted of.........loose all of my retiement checks......I'm not going to make my wife and kids hang on and try to come see me once or twice a month on Sat/Sun at the "Visiting Park" of a prison that might be 400 miles away. I screwed up, I can/am no longer be an asset to their lives or mine...............Say good night John Boy!
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One of the great myths today is you can simply flee to Mexico to avoid prosecution here in the US. Unfortunately it isn't true.

You're correct. But I figure it is easier to hide out in Mexico than Kansas or whatever. The argument may be that I'd fit in better in Kansas, but you might be suprised. In the larger cites in Mexico and parts of Northern Mexico, white ( or very light skinned) guys are not all that unusual. Plus, in Mexico, a little money slipped into the right pockets goes a long way. Still, I'd rather avoid the the whole situation.
 
We often hear "They'll never take me alive!" from "tough guy" criminals, only to later see them meekly walking in handcuffs, being lead off to jail.Easy to talk big, not so easy to actually follow through.

I believe a parallel situation would exist for any one of us posting here. Thinking about it at the keyboard is one thing; what we would actually do when in the situation is something else entirely.
 
Originally posted by BarbC:


That is very sad. Prison isn't really that bad because they'll classify you according to your temperament and will try to fit you in with similar people. There is life in prison, and life after prison. It's not really a snake pit anymore.

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Barb, I certainly don't want to upset you this morning, but your home state was/is still one of the worst run prison systems in the nation.


.......the following only applies to the Florida DOC as I know it and can clearly demonstrate with facts.


In an "open polupaltion" dorm in nearly all of our prisons in FL there will be 72 inmates stacked in bunk beads in one general living area. The guy on top steps on the bunk on the bottom to get up. Anybody farts....everybody knows it. 72 inmates, 4 open showers, 6 potties and 6 urinals. 1 TV, two bewnch/tables that only 6 inmates at a time are allowed to sit at. 3 rows of benches that only 8 inmates are allowed to sit on at one time. TV room (about 14X20) will only hold 36 people. The rest suck out on race day or Monday night football. Your life is so regimented. You spend about 1/4th of your waking hours being "counted".

Unless you are on death row, or have seriously acted out such as fighting or doing confinement time, you are in open population. You might be in prison for 13 months for your 3rd or 4th DUI and sleeping unprotected right next to a guy with 31 life sentences for rape or child mostestation. You don't fill out an E-Harmony card when you in-process at one of our reception centers.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/Acti...&SessionID=839835920

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/Acti...&SessionID=839836258

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/Acti...&SessionID=839836742

These 3 inmates probably sleep right next to each other at Gulf CI. Recon what the temperament range of the three of them are?

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/facilities/region1/109.html

Here is the link to the "snake pit" where the above three "stay". 1486 inmates there this morning at 5 A.M. count.

Barb, again, this wasn't an attack on you or your views, just an "enlightenment" of what really is........

SC
 
Originally posted by BarbC:
Well, if I had to go, I'd petition for one of Forbe's List of Best Prisons

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Try for an "intra-state compact" with California. Their inmates do less than 25% of their court ordered time. Same as the guy in PA that go the crap beat out of him two days ago. 26 years old and had 17 prior convictions! At what point do you become "habitualized". Florida has that rule. Many doing life are "repeat offenders" for crimes far less than "murder one".

this guy is a prime example of that:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/acti...&SessionID=839855848

SC
 
About 45 years ago I and a group of young guys were working a contract in dubach louisianna. We rented a old house on the outskirts of the town, 8 of us split the $100 rent. Anyway one day we didnt work due to bad weather and went out shooting. We got back that evening and were unloading. In a moment of stupidity, I drew my revolver and proclaimed, ah,m gonna shoot out that streetlight! I purposely missed it out in a safe area. Someone ratted me. We all met at the local greasy spoon truck stop later. The town constable singeled me out, come up to me and says folks tell me thar was a little shooting around yo boys place tanight! Aw, one of my boys did throw a firecracker. He thought that over and said, hey! Wouldja like ta see are jail? Sure. He took a lanturn and led me to what looked like a big old windowless wooden shack that looked to be a 150 years old and unlocked the door. Cement floor, no electricity, a couple of dirty barfed blankets over a mattress on the floor, no heat, spikes and nails sticking all over the walls and door where you couldnt lean against anything, a old dirty toilet with no lid, not a sliver of light could get in the pen. Had anybody spent the night there, you would have danced on one foot and the other shivering, stunk like hell. Had time magazine knew that place existed they would have featured it big time! Shore is a nice place ya got here, sir!!
That little tour shaped me up for the duration of my tenure! I was a boy scout!
 
This thread reminds me of a movie by Spike Lee starring Edward Norton called 25th Hour.
I'm not really a Spike Lee fan but I think this film is terrific.
 
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