Illinois Bans Ivory

[mrcvs]

It was mentioned above that the goal is to reduce consumption, with regards to plastic bags. That couldn't be further from the truth!

The HUGE elephant in the room is relative to population growth & consumption. We really need negative population growth and, by default, that would decrease consumption. No one wants to address that because that would mean less folks to consume and work, which leads to a downward spiral: Decreased corporate profits and its consequences (decreasing share prices) as well as less workers to pay into social security. Neither scenario is particularly good for YOUR retirement.

 

[Watchdog]

You people with good jobs and cars and good lives...

Not that it matters, but my interest in your comments died when you started up with that "you people" stuff.

 

[S&WsRsweet]

I wonder if an ivory ban at the end user part of the equation will help or hurt as we have seen with bans on other things at the end user level usually just drives up the price making it more profitable rather than stoping it's use.I think maybe we should try to help stop the poaching of animals for their tusks in a different manner .I would argue this will have the same effect the war on drugs has had making those on the provider side of the equation wealthy..

 

[walter o]

well for the longest time IL. banned guns had little effect .As with guns laws and banned things don't help, EDUCATION does. It is still legal to kill Elephants with a OK from the country's license. My IVORY will not make the elephants re appear if i dispose of it .
As the liberals say "Lets get rid of all the GUNS that will stop the mass killings"

 

[jag312]

I have seen handguns with ivory grips being sold as bone grips. It is very easy for me to see the difference.



I have some guns with ivory grips, but I would like to see the poaching of elephants to be ended. I like those big goofy animals. Poaching is an economic crime. The rewards are greater than than the penalties, and poaching will continue until the penalties are greater than the rewards. One way is to put a bounty on poachers and issue poacher hunting licenses. I am not joking. I think it would be exciting to go trekking through Africa, hunting poachers to protect elephants.Would-be poachers might think twice if they knew a bunch of Americans with blood lust are out there looking to kill them. Sure, the poachers might shoot back, but that is part of the excitement.

 

[Watchdog]

My IVORY will not make the elephants re appear if i dispose of it.

No one is asking you to dispose of your ivory. And no one will come around to your house to seize your current ivory grips and other ivory doodads. The law isn't about making elephants and rhinos reappear. It's about discouraging future poaching of those animals solely for their tusks and horns. If you'd read the law, you'd understand that. Plus, you live in Indiana. This is an Illinois law being discussed in this thread. So again, it isn't all about your ivory.

As the liberals say "Lets get rid of all the GUNS that will stop the mass killings"

That comparison doesn't even make sense. We aren't talking about guns or ideology here.

 

[mnrivrat]

Perhaps some of those Illinois politicians need to swallow their ivories.

Mammoth - Really ? If they start rutting up my garden they are going down ! And I am keeping the parts. (Heard Mammoth chili is good and low fat)

 

[Leonard]

This may have already been said but what right does a politician have to take your right to resell something you legally obtained they make that investment valueless!

 

[S&WsRsweet]

I have seen handguns with ivory grips being sold as bone grips. It is very easy for me to see the difference.



I have some guns with ivory grips, but I would like to see the poaching of elephants to be ended. I like those big goofy animals. Poaching is an economic crime. The rewards are greater than than the penalties, and poaching will continue until the penalties are greater than the rewards. One way is to put a bounty on poachers and issue poacher hunting licenses. I am not joking. I think it would be exciting to go trekking through Africa, hunting poachers to protect elephants.Would-be poachers might think twice if they knew a bunch of Americans with blood lust are out there looking to kill them. Sure, the poachers might shoot back, but that is part of the excitement.

Man I kinda like ur way of thinking ,I say run for president next election you got my vote .

 

[walter o]

something to think about.Google this
Will elephant contraception work in South Africa?

 

[Leonard]

I have seen handguns with ivory grips being sold as bone grips. It is very easy for me to see the difference.



I have some guns with ivory grips, but I would like to see the poaching of elephants to be ended. I like those big goofy animals. Poaching is an economic crime. The rewards are greater than than the penalties, and poaching will continue until the penalties are greater than the rewards. One way is to put a bounty on poachers and issue poacher hunting licenses. I am not joking. I think it would be exciting to go trekking through Africa, hunting poachers to protect elephants.Would-be poachers might think twice if they knew a bunch of Americans with blood lust are out there looking to kill them. Sure, the poachers might shoot back, but that is part of the excitement.

The penalty in a lot of cases is death but its not the poacher that needs to be stopped its the middle men. There is a endless supply of poor Africans that will poach given the opportunity and equipment this is provided by the people that really profit from the activity.

In the early 80's in Zimbabwe's Zambezi Valley Chete concession, everyone was encouraged to shoot poachers on site in those days it was primarily rhino poaching. I still have the game department letter requesting this and to be shown to authorities if questioned. I recall one year 13 poachers were killed but the poaching continued until their were no rhino left.

If they had gone into town and killed the middlemen it would have stopped.

 

[dougb1946]

I think a ban on plastic bags, as used in grocery stores, would be a good thing.

The Romans poisoned themselves with lead pipes. You would think we would be smarter. Round-Up is in everything. It's in that carrot you give to your little girl. Want some coal ash? It ain't hard to find. The ocean is full of dissolved plastic. It's in all the fish you eat. Some things bear changing.

They had no toilet paper, so they used a sponge on a stick. Communal. And they wonder why they had plagues.

 

[old tanker]

Banning the legal trad in ivory only makes those willing fill consumer demand the ability to charge for the risk. Did not a famed Illinois entrepreneur express just such sentiment ninety yaars ago?

"Ninety percent of the people of Cook County drink and gamble and my offense has been to furnish them with those amusements. Whatever else they may say, my booze has been good and my games have been on the square. Public service has been my motto." - Alphonse Capone