ILLINOIS V I C T O R Y

[Badkarma 1]

I clicked "like" on MJB's thought above for this reason. The country is slowly evolving into socialism. We don't control the economics of the world any more. Globalism has taken care of that. Our standard of living is slowly eroding and as it does more strain will be put on those that really produce anything. They will be taxed to the limit to pay for the government checks needed to the keep the rest of the population under control. I've watched it slowly evolve from the late 60s with the "Great Society" programs of Lynden Johnson that produced the South and West side gangs of the city of Chicago to the need for assimilating "illegals" into the country.

A war is on, between socialism and capitalism; between the government controlling everything and individuals being able to think and act on their own. We're slowly loosing it, generation after generation.

Watch out HankG, somebody might accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat!
In light of the new law...well at least it's a start, and it effectively shuts down any anti-gun bills being considered, unless there's a loop hole.
I'm gonna wait and see what happens, ISP has 180 days to get the ball rolling. Popcorn's on me. Dale

 

[Buford57]

Watch out HankG, somebody might accuse you of wearing a tin foil hat!
In light of the new law...well at least it's a start, and it effectively shuts down any anti-gun bills being considered, unless there's a loop hole.
I'm gonna wait and see what happens, ISP has 180 days to get the ball rolling. Popcorn's on me. Dale

180 days? That's about what it took them to renew my wife's FOID.

 

[158Grain]

Like many others have said, the law isn't perfect but at least Illinois residents aren't left out in the cold anymore. The list of restrictions is somewhat lengthy, but what state can you legally conceal in a school or hospital? I am happy to report that all of my local representatives voted to override Quinn's time wasting veto. The ISP has released statements saying they expect around 300,000 applicants the first year. I predict they are going to be surprised how many people will pony up the $300 for the class and $150 for the permit....hey look...we just figured out a way to help fund the pension crisis! Good job Illinois general assembly, it's about time.

 

[Pequod]

Illinois CCW $$$

158Grain is probably right, there will be a lot of applicants for IL CCW. Still, if the class is $300 and the permit $150, that is $900 if a husband and wife want to get CCW. There are lots of people (pretty much all the ones who live in the most dangerous neighborhoods) who will not be able to protect themselves and get CCW because of the cost, which is the intent of the IL legislature. I live in IL and got my Utah NR CCW for less than $200 total, and it is good in every state around IL, but IL will not recognize any other state's permits. Plus they charge NR applicants $300 instead of $150.

It is a step in the right direction, and it is a victory of sorts, but IL is still treating law abiding citizens threatened by crime like dirt. There have been over 1000 shootings in Chicago already in 2013.

 

[PALADIN85020]

No offense intended to those who live there either by necessity or choice, but my favorite view of Chicago is in my rear view mirror.

John

 

[Hill_Country]

This whole CCW fiasco in IL used up pretty much all the sympathy I had. They had a chance for constitutional carry and traded it in for an abomination that is so restrictive it might as well still be no carry. There was no rush, they could have held out. But instead this is what they got:
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In practice, this list is not that different from what we have in Texas.

My understanding is that the list of prohibited places could have been even worse if they had gone for broke and the list would change from town to town. Is that not right?

 

[MJB]

You're right Hill Country. The best thing about the bill is that it does away with local preemption. Chicago can't tell you that you can't have a 15rd mag in your handgun.

 

[bluegrassarms]

158Grain is probably right, there will be a lot of applicants for IL CCW. Still, if the class is $300 and the permit $150, that is $900 if a husband and wife want to get CCW. There are lots of people (pretty much all the ones who live in the most dangerous neighborhoods) who will not be able to protect themselves and get CCW because of the cost, which is the intent of the IL legislature. I live in IL and got my Utah NR CCW for less than $200 total, and it is good in every state around IL, but IL will not recognize any other state's permits. Plus they charge NR applicants $300 instead of $150.

It is a step in the right direction, and it is a victory of sorts, but IL is still treating law abiding citizens threatened by crime like dirt. There have been over 1000 shootings in Chicago already in 2013.

This x 1000.

Clearly this law like every law Chicago implemented post MacDonald is all about keeping the poor of Chicago from being able to protect themselves. High fees, classes that afaik can't even be held inside the city b/c of gun range laws, a lengthy process that will discourage them, and the ban on carry on public transport goes right to those who are most economically disadvantaged and exposed to the most crime, and is a great way to insure they can't carry at all.

i'd challenge some of the provisions on grounds of economic discrimination, and probably racial discrimination. Numerous federal cases have been won on the basis of racial discrimination when it was an economically motivated decision such as eminent domain that predominantly impacted a particular racial group. Looking outside "gun cases" there's strong case law that barriers which impact particular economic groups disproportionately and without good justification can be struck down at the federal level. IMO this law, esp. tied in with other Chicago statutes, clearly tries to create an economic barrier to self defense. Takes a pretty low person to support that kind of thinking IMO.

I'm thrilled Illinois is moving forward at least some, and some of our fellow Americans will be able to defend themselves, but it's outrageous how the Chicago machine works actively to keep the poorest of their constituents defenseless, presumably to keep them as dependent on their government as possible.

Still, baby steps. MacDonald, the 7th Circuit ruling, one step at a time.

 

[bluegrassarms]

You're right Hill Country. The best thing about the bill is that it does away with local preemption. Chicago can't tell you that you can't have a 15rd mag in your handgun.

It's all just my swag, but IMO the pro gun forces won this one in the long run and were willing to swallow the restrictions and other stuff (16 hours? do you get badges with that class?) bc they got 1) local pre-emption, and 2) "shall issue".

In the long run I think those are huge. I wonder if SCOTUS may some day (if the pro gun majority holds) strike down "may issue" altogether, but by getting shall issue in place they establish a direction and can then work on the specifics. Even with the restrictions, the battle is being waged on the pro-gun side's field. Anyone who meets the requirements can carry and get a permit, and no county or city can deny them b/c they just want to.

The pro-gun side got what they wanted in that they framed the future debates and battles. the anti-gun groups won some battles, but I think in the long run the pro-gun folks in Illinois who worked on this won the war.

 

[wildenout]

This is a great day not just for Illinois, but for all of us as Americans. I am so happy though for all of my friends and colleagues in that state, congrats everyone!

 

[hittman77]

Madigan still has until 7-24 to appeal to SCOTUS and ask them for a stay of this legislation.

 

[hittman77]

BTW ~ Madigan's "opinion" of the FOID list request was a formal opinion. Seems logical, don't you think, that virtually NO (R) would have held that same opinion? Don't ever forget who her daddy is and what his well publicized opinions on the matter are. Here's a little more info:

Madigan Appoints Thompson to Argue FOID
April 29, 2011

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has appointed former Governor James Thompson to represent the Illinois State Police over whether the names of those holding Illinois Firearm Owners Identification cards (FOID) should be made public.

Thompson will appear in a Peoria court, possibly next month, to argue that the Illinois Attorney general's Office was wrong when it opined that state police should publicize the names of FOID card holders.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-chicago/entitled-gun-group-compa...

Lisa Madigan's position is what it should be; no exception should be made on the availability of public information to the public. One exception leads to another. Potential gun owners are not a special class of citizen. This is not a law trying to restrict gun ownership.

A Realistic View of Gun Ownership - Chicago Conservative | Examiner.com

 

[sctman800]

Madigan still has until 7-24 to appeal to SCOTUS and ask them for a stay of this legislation.

Nope! The passage of the new law turns this into a moot point. Lisa has allready came out and said there will be no USSC appeal. Jim.

 

[hittman77]

Thank you Jim ~ I was not aware of that! Good news for sure.

There are many democrats who are friends of gun owners and our rights. Madigan is not one of them.