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When I was in college drinking age was 18. We drank. we also smoked (tobacco). We knew it was bad for you but we did it anyway. Most passed through that stage. Some didn't. I lost two very close friends who ultimately drank themselves to death. There are consequences for actions and one makes decisions. I can't believe that today's college kids are so much dumber than we were so as to require medical intervention vis a vis questioning and counseling as a matte of course regarding the evils of drinking and drugs. I honestly believe that we were a hell of a lot further along in the way of maturity at age 21 back then than the average 21 year old is now and that is probably a result of starting to make those mistakes at age 18 rather than hiding them until we hit the age of 21. Ain't saying it's a bad idea but jeeze....I think this nanny state thing has gone wayyyyyyyyyy overboard.
 
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When we were kids, we were encouraged to think independently. We were given responsibilities at an early age and woe be to you if they weren't met. We were told to go out and play and if we had no friends, we found them. We made decisions based on what we knew our parents would tolerate and sometimes went beyond. There were no video games or cell phones and we experienced the world outside the home at an earlier age. There were no seat belts in the cars, no helmet required when riding your bike and we were generally left to fend for ourselves. Most of us were stronger for it as adults and some fell by the wayside. That being said, it was a kinder and gentler world then and it was easier to live that way...maybe not as easy now. There has to be a happy medium where kids can make their own decisions but still have the protection of the home.
 
CajunBass said:
It's always someone else's responsibility to teach kids things their parents don't want to teach them.

These days parents are supposed to be buddies to their kids.
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I try to teach my kids and I am not their friend.
I love my kids very much, but I'm also not afraid to say once in a while - use the brain that god put between your ears!
Oops sorry, guess that wasn't PC.
 
Parents and Society today coddle kids. Look around, no more keeping score in sporting events. No more National Honor Society. We don't want them to know what it's like to fail. Hand Sanitizers everywhere. If a kid is outside and eats dirt, or a bug, PANIC, call 911! I can't tell you how many bugs I ate, or lost playing baseball, hockey or the game of war. When these kids go out in the real world, they can't handle it and come unglued.
 
I remember the first time I got fall down, throw up drunk. I was fourteen & had slipped my parental supervision by staying over at a buddy's house. His folks were a bit more lax in that they allowed their teenage son to drink and smoke. I got lit up pretty good, to the point of flashing the technicolor yawn in a bar parking lot where we'd gone in search of case number three or four of Lone Star Long Necks. I learned a valuable lesson that night about me & alcohol, & it never had to be repeated. I've gotten tipsy since, sure, but never again to that point where motor control & brain operation are that impaired.
 
Well,media says.....how many of ya'll see kids even 18 yrs.old who think thay can say anything they want & get away with it! Ever been at the movies hear them talking loud & you politely ask them to keep it down....their response is F you.. smirk & continue with their loudness.Funny,you should see the look when you stop being nice!!
Jim
 
We i was young and stupid, starting at early teens, we started sneaking smokes, we could even buy them if you had the .35 cents, and somebody could always smuggle a little hootch out in a jar which always ended in a good puke.
The point is we got all that stupid stuff out of the way early. Kids today, I can't believe I just said "kids today," have been so sheltered and never had the chance to test limits on their own that the first chance they get the explode.
I honestly don't remember anybody drinking themselves to death. We unfortunately did see some drug deaths but that's a whole different animal.
As I think we all know kids will do what they will do and I told mine, within reason, if you want a beer or a smoke better to do it here than in the woods with your friends.
All turned out way better than me. I had to sneak my smokes and beers.
 
Growing up in Ks a couple of buddies 10-12 years old and I would take off horseback into the hills( such as they were) on Sat morning. We had 22's and plenty of hulls. Way before cell phones. We might come back Sat or we might camp out and come back Sun. Parents never seemed to worry. My wife is a city girl and the thought of our sons doing that is beyond comprehension. They are in their 50's now and she would still worry. My mother let me start riding bulls and bareback broncs when I was 14. No saddle broncs. Never could figure that one out. My wife thinks my mother must have been out of her mind. My sons played football and baseball but had one said he wanted to sit on the hurricane deck of a bull she would have lost it. I guess where you grew up has a lot to do with who you are. Just glad I grew up where and when I did. I feel sorry for the kids who will never have the chance to grow up as I did.
 
It all started when "They" decided to remove any accountability and responsibility from the shoulders of people and lay blame elsewhere for personal bad decisions.
I like the way Jeff Foxworthy described his formative years.
" Nowadays, you have warning labels and instructions on what's dangerous.
When I grew up and started tugging on the cord of the 75lb. TV sitting on the TV tray, my Daddy just said to Mom.... Don't worry, let him keep tugging on it, he'll learn not to do it anymore"
Now, that would be considered child abuse and "They" would remove the child from the home and he would never learn that valuable lesson.
 
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But, they are all special, you never ever want them to suffer either physically or mentally. Heaven forbid that you should harm little Johnny or Susie's self esteem.

You can tell them all you want. Until they dick it up a few times they aren't even going to know why they should listen.

We are out camping, my 10 year old son has found a piece of iron rod he keeps sticking in the fire until the end glows red. Mom wants me to take it away. I tell the kid "be careful cause if you keep it up your going to get burned". "Uh huh" he says. About a 30 min later there is a scream, cold water and late that night more cold water and some aspirin. Wife is mad (now ex wife and still mad and sad). But, I noticed the kid paid a lot more attention when I gave him a heads up. The world is a painful if you don't pay attention.
 
All the article is saying seems to be that doctors need to do more to inform patients of the risks of certain behavior. Apparently doctors are not doing this with young adults. Seems sensible.

Though underlying it seems to be a number of assumptions, such as that smoking and drinking are somehow "bad". As I have opined many times, smoking is largely harmless and indeed beneficial. Why Ronald Reagan himself peddled Chesterfields, a real cigarette, king sized and unfiltered, the way cigarettes should be.

Meanwhile a pint or so of bourbon or whiskey a day is good for what ails you, serving as linament for the joints and what not. Five drinks a day? That is a good breakfast, but a more complete drinking regimen is 20 to 25 drinks a day. Doctor advice ought be limited to a reminder to include a twist of lime to avoid scurvy.

In fact, why should a "doctor" be telling a person how to live... Why I pay that saw bones to patch things up, not give a lecture. What is this Sunday school? Acting all condescending and such just cause he done got degrees and can read and such. I liked my asbestos blanket and why can't I forage for tubing in that hospital dumspster? And then they put down my pet monkey I found escaped from that Army lab.... Well la dee da.

That reminds me, I need to find me a barber what pulls teeth...
 
ordy said:
When we were kids, we were encouraged to think independently. We were given responsibilities at an early age and woe be to you if they weren't met. We were told to go out and play and if we had no friends, we found them. We made decisions based on what we knew our parents would tolerate and sometimes went beyond. There were no video games or cell phones and we experienced the world outside the home at an earlier age. There were no seat belts in the cars, no helmet required when riding your bike and we were generally left to fend for ourselves. Most of us were stronger for it as adults and some fell by the wayside. That being said, it was a kinder and gentler world then and it was easier to live that way...maybe not as easy now. There has to be a happy medium where kids can make their own decisions but still have the protection of the home.
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Yep, I was a free range kid and my range was pretty big. More kids should have the opportunity to grow up. Some never do and it's really messed us up as a society. It's hard for me to imagine that kids think the world is like a videogame, Breaking Bad or some other popular series.
 
Learning to learn....:confused:

Doctors telling a person about drinking works just great with someone who hasn't got a problem with drinking. (addressing a problem which doesn't exist with a solution that's not necessary)

In other words, it's a waste of time for a doctor to school a drunk, unless the doctor happens to be a recovered drunk.
 
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On TV a "guy on the street" walked around asking college age kids what religion the Pope was. One knew. Kids are just too busy now walking around with friends they aren't talking to while texting other friends. Then when with those friends, they aren't talking to them either but are texting the friends they were with before. Out here those vapor cigarettes are considered evil yet you can smoke pot everywhere.
In the 1800s people got married at 15 and were responsible adults by age 21 or even earlier. Now we have an epidemic of 35 year old guys still living with mom and dad. A lazy comatose citizenry is easier to control than those who are independent and responsible.
 
Reminds me of a great series of lines from the movie: Hondo. Mrs. Lowes kid Johnny, wanted to pet Hondos dog, Sam. Every time he would attempt to pet the dog, dog growled. Hondo warned him once, then twice, this time saying, son I warned you oncenot to pet the dog but, you do what you want to ddo. Moments later the kid cries out because Sam bit him. Mrs Lowe then procedes to chew Hondo out about letting Johnny get bit. He said something like: "The kid wouldn't learn unless he got bit, well, he got bit.''
 
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