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Just spent my life saving on a beautiful new 1911 for self defense purposes. After watching this video i am now sick if this video holds true. Need you guys input before i trade my beautiful new gun for an ugly Glock.
Thanks
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[Thanks [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj9...feature=relmfu[/url]
 
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Just spent my life saving on a beautiful new 1911 for self defense purposes. After watching this video i am now sick if this video holds true. Need you guys input before i trade my beautiful new gun for an ugly Glock.
Thanks
you may have to copy and paste the url. if you are a 1911 lover it will make you mad

 
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You are having a problem with your copy and paste - tell you what - provide me with the exact title and I will search youtube and post it appropriately for ya.
 
I made it to almost 3 minutes. I want my three minutes back.

If you cannot tell me , and this applies to politicians as well, why your choice is the correct choice without lying or tearing down the others I don't care to listen to your BS.

"Before some internet commando starts to bash me" Dude you epitomize internet commando.
 
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Just spent my life saving on a beautiful new 1911 for self defense purposes. After watching this video i am now sick if this video holds true. Need you guys input before i trade my beautiful new gun for an ugly Glock.
Thanks
http://www.youtube.com

[Thanks [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfJj9...feature=relmfu[/url][/QUOTE]

I just read a couple of that guy's responses to people's postings about his video. No class whatsoever.

I trusted my life to a pair of 1911s for years. I never had a single malfunction with thousands of rounds. Shoot yours a lot to verify it is reliable, just like you would with any new gun before carrying, and you should be fine. My current choice for a self defense gun is an HK P30 in 9mm, but I think a solid 1911 is still a fine choice. By the way, I really don't like Glocks, but to each his own.
 
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I cant figure out if this post is serious. Spend your life savings on a 1911? Or any SD gun for that matter? NEVER! SD is important but so is paying bills and eating and driving to work and retirement savings!

Another thing. IMO The words "beautiful gun/ugly gun" should not be a deciding factor or a choice when it comes to weapons self defense. Aesthetically pleasing will not win a gun fight. Collecting, range gun, competition ok go for the looks but for SD first and just about the only thing is function. Just my $.000001


Seen the vid before. Yes and no. What you have to keep in mind is that a 1911 is a type of gun not a brand. Every manufacturer makes them to different tolerances and quality. Most parts are not interchanged without some type of gunsmithing and hand fitting. Basically not plug and play. Where as your typical Glock or M&P is all the same. One part of a Glock will fit another Glock (same cal) without hand fitting.

1911s also require more maintenance. Springs change, internal extractor properly tunned, quality mags. Tighter tolerance usually equal better accuracy but reliability drops. Loose fitting 1911s will be more reliable but accuracy drops. Thats not to say inaccurate just not a bullseye gun or groupings will be larger. (Shooting also depends on ammo and end user)

Glocks/HK/M&P require less (practically no) attention in the matnance department. They are more of a shoot it and forget it guns. Still accurate enough but better reliability and no need for a gun smith really.

I own both and i have no problems carrying a 1911 because its been cleaned and i know it works and if something happened i know it will work for the next 8 shots and a reload. However if this was SHTF i'll stick to Glocks or other modern polymer guns because they have a longer life span without having to go to a gun smith and generally lower maintenance. They also hold more ammo and are much less picky on ammo overall.

If I was picking a HD gun i'd go with a $500 proven Glock over the several thousand dollar 1911 (proven or not will depend on manufacturer)

Note on the man in the video. He does run a school and does know his stuff and was a contractor in Iraq but, from what ive heard and read he was in a firefight where he was ...well lets say less then willing to participate. Some people died. I wont judge him on it as i was not there and couldnt say if his actions got others killed or if it was just that type if situation where those people would have died regardless. I have not walked in his shoes so i wont disrespect him this is ment more for info because any schmuck can make a video and a t like an expert.
 
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don't get bent out of shape over that crackpot.
15,000 students and 15,000,000 rounds = 1000 rounds per student.
I tried to make my 1911 choke. Hard cast over Unique is a dirty load. after 1800 rounds of this stuff, nearly twice his training numbers, the gun was hot enough to require gloves to shoot, my hand had blisters and burns the 1911 was so full of crud, cleaning was like strip mining for gun parts. no failures to feed, eject, or fire.
meanwhile his holy grail glocks have displayed an issue with firing out of battery resulting in catastrophic failure.

It is fairly common with youtube experts to spark controversy, well founded or entirely baseless, in a bid to win some prize-less popularity contest.

If I could not have my 1911 ... i'd opt for an HK USP.
 
Up until now I have not heard of James Yeager, but from the 5 minutes of research I just did, I would say he has A LOT OF BAGGAGE and we should probably take most of what he says with a grain of salt!

True heroes and tough guys are not in your face like this guy is and usually like to stay relatively quiet.

Glocks are time proven reliable, accurate and great defense guns although I have never & probably will never own one. I do own three different Colt 1911's, one from WWll, one Series 80 Gov't. and one Series 70 Gold Cup NM. I honestly and truly can NOT ever remember any of them jamming or having any FTF what so ever in the 35 years I have owned them.

I personally think this guy is just looking to stir the pot in an effort to make a few bucks.
 
don't get bent out of shape over that crackpot.
15,000 students and 15,000,000 rounds = 1000 rounds per student.
I tried to make my 1911 choke. Hard cast over Unique is a dirty load. after 1800 rounds of this stuff, nearly twice his training numbers, the gun was hot enough to require gloves to shoot, my hand had blisters and burns the 1911 was so full of crud, cleaning was like strip mining for gun parts. no failures to feed, eject, or fire.
meanwhile his holy grail glocks have displayed an issue with firing out of battery resulting in catastrophic failure.

It is fairly common with youtube experts to spark controversy, well founded or entirely baseless, in a bid to win some prize-less popularity contest.

If I could not have my 1911 ... i'd opt for an HK USP.
A man after my own heart...Larry Vickers and a few other guys with lots more rounds downrange with a 1911 than I have stated it's an enthusiast's gun, and its time has passed. That may be true for Larry, but the vast majority of shooters don't run their 1911s nearly as hard as he does. Not that they are fragile guns. They aren't. Given reasonable care, they will give great service. Larry Vickers was a 1911 freak for years, as well. A good 1911 is reliable, accurate, has a fantastic trigger, and shoots a potent round with a proven record. It could carry more rounds, but they are also very quick to reload if you practice. Cocked and locked, they are very quick to get into action as well. A good 1911 is a great handgun that is still one of the best choices for self defense available, even after over 100 years, in my humble opinion, anyway.
 
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Out of all my guns,I always reach for a 1911 to carry unless I need a 44 magnum and I've owned and played with all sorts of guns for 40 years.Take that 1911 to the range and shoot the hell out of it until you trust it.
 
The 1911 has proven to be successful for over a century. That is exactly 100 years more that the host of the video clip can claim.

As far as spending an inordinate amount of $ on a self defense handgun, I'd be more inclined to invest the money in quality training and master a less expensive firearm.

One last thought ... Every professional firearms/edged weapons/martial arts trainer I have worked with, from Clint Smith to Hock Hockheim, has shared a special trait ---> open mindedness. To a man, these individuals NEVER denigrated students' personal choices for gun/knife/etc. Instead, they offered sound advice, pros/cons, and recommendations based on their personal experiences in the field (NOT their personal agendas or egos). Whoever James Yeager says he is, I wouldn't trust him to give me correct directions across the street.
 
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There is nothing wrong with the Glock series. I carry one myself and own several. However to go on like this 'instructor' has is a real turn off and overlooks the basic fundamantal goodness of the highly sucessful and proven 1911.
 
One last thought ... Every professional firearms/edged weapons/martial arts trainer I have worked with, from Clint Smith to Hock Hockheim, has shared a special trait ---> open mindedness. To a man, these individuals NEVER denigrated students' personal choices for gun/knife/etc. Instead, they offered sound advice, pros/cons, and recommendations based on their personal experiences in the field (NOT their personal agendas or egos). Whoever James Yeager says he is, I wouldn't trust him to give me correct directions across the street.
And you would never catch Clint Smith, et al, responding to people with the crudeness and disrespect that this guy does. I'm really sorry I wasted a few minutes watching that, and to the op, make sure YOUR 1911 is reliable, practice with it a lot, and enjoy one of the finest self defense handguns ever made.
 
Dude's entitled to his opinion, naturally, but there's simply a preponderance of evidence to the contrary regarding his opinion on the reliability of the 1911 platform. Products don't last for over 100 years in the marketplace -- in essentially their original form, no less -- if they don't work and work well, especially since often life and limb are on the line.

And as previously noted, it doesn't lend to his credibility that he begins by defending himself against Internet commandos by alluding briefly and obliquely to being a tactical instructor (a title with no inherent meaning and that anyone can bestow upon themselves), a police officer (where, when and in what capacity?) and having been "in combat environments" overseas, another meaningless reference outside of contextualizing information.

Also, note his response in the comments section to someone teasing him about his shirt; hardly the reply one wants to see from a supposed professional (though I might've done the same).

But the real problem here is use of logic, or lack thereof:

1) "A 1911 that works correctly is just as rare as a Glock that doesn't". Broad, polarizing statement for which he cites not a shred of hard, numerical evidence.

2) "1911 users have too much ego invested in the platform". Maybe, maybe not, but this is a criticism of the user that he mistakes for evidence against the platform.

3) He doesn't like the grip safety. Okay, that's personal preference, not platform flaw. He seems to be indicating that it can fail, but so can any moving part on any platform one cares to name. Unless he can cite good numbers illustrating that the grip safety is a fail point to a statistically greater degree than other moving pistol parts in general, he's just mistaking subjective preference for objective fact; vague reference to "gunmen in the '40s, '50s and '60s" (uh, what?) disengaging the grip safety as proof of his point is so critically unsound I'm losing IQ points just mentioning it.

4) Modern production methods can't build a good 1911 because the 1911 was first made by artisanal handcrafters. Well, by that logic, nothing made in the days of handbuilders can be made reliably well now because a computer or automaton was involved -- yet my chair still holds me up, my car still runs and my 442 goes bang every time.

There's nothing inherent to the 1911 platform -- no part nor the way it runs -- that necessitates the old way of building to ensure a superior product.

His complaint about the deficiencies of the production assembly process applies equally to any multiple-moving-part product made on an assembly line, including other pistols, yet he applies it exclusively and therefore erroneously to the 1911.

In other words, much like with the complaint against 1911 users, he mistakes a complaint about something associated with the platform for a complaint against the platform itself -- in this case, the quality of production line work.

4) "As a trainer I have seen very few 1911s that have come through our two day pistol class that have gone through it with no problem". Ah, the illusion of the central position: if it is true for me, it must be true. He fails to remember that he's just one data point, and statistically insignificant therefore, especially if one considers alternate explanations.

While it's possible his unique observations are representative, it's also possible that he's been witness to a statistical anomaly: a disproportionately large number of 1911 malfunctions that doesn't represent the average. Or perhaps he runs the kind of seminar that doesn't attract individuals who own quality 1911s; or that attracts shooters who don't take good care of their weapons; or...

Point is, he mistakes his personal experience for a universal truth and fails to consider other possible implications of his experiences, choosing instead the answers that supports his own bias -- the very thing he accuses 1911 supporters of doing.

5) 1911 owners refuse to acknowledge a malfunction of their weapon as a malfunction of their weapon. Again, true or not, this is a complaint about the user, not the platform -- why can't he tell the difference?

6) As the 1911 was designed, it had an arched mainspring housing. Not a failure of critical thinking, here, just a failure of fact: the 1911 had a flat mainspring housing; the later 1911A1 introduced an arched one.

Does he have an essential point I might agree with? That out of the box more Glocks are going to run without a hitch than 1911s? Yeah, I'll agree with that -- but he extremitizes that notion far into the dumb, closing by saying that the Glock will work "every time" and the 1911 will "rarely"?

Well, Glocks have their documented difficulties, too -- the Gen4 issues only the most recent -- but mostly, Glocks run.

Can you get a lemon 1911? You bet. Does that platform require a little more care than your typical Glock? I'd say that it does.

But give me a guy who says every Glock he's seen works every time and virtually every 1911 he's seen hasn't and I'll show you someone who is either witness to anomaly or is playing loose with the facts for the purpose of brand affiliation or "look at me" polemics.

Either way, he shows a serious lack or rigorous analysis of his own experience and where it may (or may not) fit into the larger picture.

But it's cute the way he thinks he creates controversy.

For the record, I love Glocks and 1911s.

And mind you, I think OP's a troll... :)
 
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Seen the vid before. Yes and no. What you have to keep in mind is that a 1911 is a type of gun not a brand. Every manufacturer makes them to different tolerances and quality. Most parts are not interchanged without some type of gunsmithing and hand fitting. Basically not plug and play. Where as your typical Glock or M&P is all the same. One part of a Glock will fit another Glock (same cal) without hand fitting.

1911 pattern pistols are just as standardized as any other production firearm.

1911s also require more maintenance. Springs change, internal extractor properly tunned, quality mags. Tighter tolerance usually equal better accuracy but reliability drops. Loose fitting 1911s will be more reliable but accuracy drops. Thats not to say inaccurate just not a bullseye gun or groupings will be larger. (Shooting also depends on ammo and end user)

This may have been true 20 or 30 years ago. Modern manufacturing methods have greatly improved both the reliability and the accuracy of the type. It is now possible to have both good reliability and accuracy in an out of the box production sample.

Glocks/HK/M&P require less (practically no) attention in the matnance department. They are more of a shoot it and forget it guns. Still accurate enough but better reliability and no need for a gun smith really.

So why does Glock recommend you change recoil springs every 3000 rounds?

I own both and i have no problems carrying a 1911 because its been cleaned and i know it works and if something happened i know it will work for the next 8 shots and a reload. However if this was SHTF i'll stick to Glocks or other modern polymer guns because they have a longer life span without having to go to a gun smith and generally lower maintenance. They also hold more ammo and are much less picky on ammo overall.

Put the words glock kaboom in your favorite search engine.

If I was picking a HD gun i'd go with a $500 proven Glock over the several thousand dollar 1911 (proven or not will depend on manufacturer)

I'll take a RIA 1911 for $425 over any Glock except maybe a 20.

Note on the man in the video. He does run a school and does know his stuff and was a contractor in Iraq but, from what ive heard and read he was in a firefight where he was ...well lets say less then willing to participate. Some people died. I wont judge him on it as i was not there and couldnt say if his actions got others killed or if it was just that type if situation where those people would have died regardless. I have not walked in his shoes so i wont disrespect him this is ment more for info because any schmuck can make a video and a t like an expert.

You can share your knowledge and experience with out being a dick.
 

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