I agree with the bold part 1000%.
I also agree an hour spent shooting is far more informative than an hour spent watching someone else's opinion.
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I agree with the bold part 1000%.
I also agree an hour spent shooting is far more informative than an hour spent watching someone else's opinion.
venomballistics
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yes an hour afield is worth 100 in edited video.
Honestly though it should take several hours.
figure a good two hour workout for the guns function. many more carrying for the guns livability. some of those protrusions are miserable. and a good portion evaluating the caliber itself against various targets like coyote deer building materials DOA cars and anything else you can think of outside paper punching.
if this alone were common practice, especially the critter segment of evaluation, I suspect no one would carry a 380 and precious few would carry a 9MM and those that did before might favor 38's and 357's after that eye opener.
BCDWYO
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I personally think this guy is just looking to stir the pot in an effort to make a few bucks.[/QUOTE]
^^^^This^^^^
Honestly nothing he says is THAT controversial...Out of the box Glocks are more reliable than out of the box 1911s, and reliable is good...I don't think he is saying anything we haven't all heard before. He just has an agenda and clearly is trying to get his name out there.
Brad
^^^^This^^^^
Honestly nothing he says is THAT controversial...Out of the box Glocks are more reliable than out of the box 1911s, and reliable is good...I don't think he is saying anything we haven't all heard before. He just has an agenda and clearly is trying to get his name out there.
Brad
Ivan the Butcher
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In the early 1980's I would buy retail Federal Ordinance 1911 alloy frames, and at OGCA shows all the surplus parts to build 3 or 4 1911A1's. The most I charged for these parts guns, that were fit and freshly parkerized (except frame) was $165 (and at the begining $135) The F.O. frames lasted only 800-1200 rounds, so I quit using them and went to Essex steel frames, but you could get a brand new Kimber for about 25 percent more than I would charge, so that was the end of my parts guns. However, I never had one fail to feed right off the bench with ball or STHPs or Fed. Hydro-shocks. The groups were paper plate or smaller at 25yds. And most importantly they functioned even when full of sand or mud (found that out on a canoe trip). I can buy replacement parts at almost any good sized gun show. Can this be done with any other handgun? (maybe a p35 Highpower, but aren't they harder to fit?) Just my 2 cents worth. Ivan
66Park
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I find it interesting that we are up to 46 posts on this, and the op, who was "sick" about spending his life savings on a 1911 has not made a single comment. Hmm...
There, fixed that for ya.
He's still recovering!
His original post was tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure - along with a little bit of pot-stirring.
bluegrassarms
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Of course if a gun requires a lot of cost to be maintained that's a problem and I agree 100% there, but as I read it everything you listed is really an optional thing you wanted for the gun. To me that says the 1911 may not be the perfect design, and it isn't b/c there isn't one, but when I say "hinky" I mean it required gunsmithing to even function reliably. I admit I honed in on his hyperbole that a 1911 that functions well is as rare as a Glock that doesn't. I read that as him saying the design is inherently flawed or at least severely less reliable than the Glock design, and I can't see that being the case.
1911s get endlessly tuned, but the feel I get from the video is he's saying that the 1911 inherently isn't a design you want to go into combat with, and that's just not supported by the data. The GI issue 1911s worked extraordinarily well for decades and were maintained with little more than parts replacements. I can certainly be mistaken but my impression is that your 1911 didn't fail, you upgraded it with different features. To me that's different than what this guy was claiming.
Now some 1911s no doubt are very hinky but that's a function of manufacturing IMO as opposed to an inherent design flaw of 1911s. Comparing a particular high quality manufacturer like Glock (and they are very high quality) to just any 1911 isn't fair. Compare it to a high quality manufacturer like RIA and I seriously doubt his claims would be supported.
Like I said I'm not really a "1911 guy". My SA of choice is the Hi Power and there is no 2nd place for me, but few designs as flawed as he claims survive over 100 years and are used by millions of soldiers. I agree with the point above you can't just go with what the military picks, but the 1911 is one of those weapons that has so much usage data and feedback from the field soldiers we can take their praise for it as strong support. Even with parts supplies feedback from field soldiers wouldn't be so positive if it was constantly in for repairs or adjustments.
My friends are going to laugh at me "defending" the 1911, b/c I really am not big on them for me personally. I have never gotten comfortable with carrying one cocked and locked, or any SA for that matter. Still that's all personal stuff, not design. He doesn't like the grip safety. OK, some don't, but that doesn't mean it's an inferior gun, just a different one.
There may be more reliable designs than the 1911, and maybe the Glock is one, but the idea that there is some massive divide between them I find unsupported by the data.
1morethan8
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And Mr. Yeager says in his other video(Sunbby Tips)...
"... the day of the revolver is sun-setting, if not already gone down..."
I sometimes wonder if the auto guys might have a false sense of security knowing they have the extra rounds in their pistols?
"... the day of the revolver is sun-setting, if not already gone down..."
I sometimes wonder if the auto guys might have a false sense of security knowing they have the extra rounds in their pistols?
mc5aw
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Having hung around this forum for a while, I have a great deal of respect for many of the regular members ... not only for their posts, but for their sharing of experiences and expertise as well. jlrhiner is one of those members, and I'll put my money on him, his bad knees, and his Gold Cup over that tough-talking, Glockaholic video buffoon any time, any place.
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Back in 1996 when I worked in a vault for an armored car service I carried a Llama IX-D .45 ACP 1911 that was kind of ugly with its flat black finish (all I could afford). But it had a 10 round magazine and a 4-inch barrel and I could not kill it. Nearly every weekend I shot that gun and put hundreds of rounds through it overall with maybe one or two jams throughout but nothing that made me ever dislike the gun. I only got rid of it when the company changed the rules and said no more SA autos so I traded it off for a Model 19 Smith. If I could have afforded it I would have kept it but money was tight. I had a Para Ordnance Warthog 1911 I loved but bills came due again. I have always had a love for the 1911, and Glocks are reliable too, our duty guns are Model 21's. Nice guns but not the wonder weapons they are advertised and their design is not as cutting edge anymore. Still no instructor should put down their students choice of a carry gun unless it is dangerous or unsafe or might be a potential liability. Alot of people have asked me what I recommend, and I recommend they find a gun they are comfortable with and can shoot well. My wife for instance was very happy with nothing more than a 4-inch Model 10. I get snickers and some jokes when guys at work see my Model 27 or my 649 because to more than one a revolver is seen as old fashioned or out of date.
venomballistics
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don't mistake returns due to morbid curiosity for camping outThere, fixed that for ya.
In the course of this one Ive managed to build and fine tune a tube fired preamp, a 150W power amp and todays task is a 4 band parametric equalizer section to go between them. that one might take a while.
Stu Honea
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Sir,I gave you a like on this post,and I'd give it 10 more if the forum allowed it. I agree wholeheartedly.
Yes, I did! I remember when those things were a laughing stock, and when public agencies were bound by law to procure U.S.-made products with the taxpayer's monies. (Probably a lot of us remember those days.)
Anyway, one day I received a 4-color, 4-page brochure (likely printed in Austria) describing the new gun and with a storyline written around some imaginary character the brochure comically referred to as "the champion." Had it not been so ridiculous, it would have been hilarious. I wish I would have saved it. But it must have appealed to certain dull-witted types in charge of the public till. Little did I know what insanity was to follow...
(JMHO, so, as Dave says, anyone who thinks me a bit daffy can "just keep them cards and letters."
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Stu Honea
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I remember the first Glock that came here.It sat on display in the window of the most prominent gun shop in town for TWO YEARS. A G17.
The dealer left it in the window all the time.Nobody would even break the glass to steal it!
The dealer left it in the window all the time.Nobody would even break the glass to steal it!
David Sinko
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I owe a lot to a Colt 1911. The one I had was so unreliable it's the reason I'm now a devout revolver shooter. I'm glad it worked out this way.
Dave Sinko
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Interesting. Yeager's vid has been out a while, thought everybody'd seen it by now. Like cars and motorcycles, every brand has it's true believers. You'll never get a Mustang or Harley guy to say anything good about a Camaro or Hayabusa. Same with auto pistols. I have both 1911's and M&P's. Like them both. Would, (and have with the 1911), trust my life to both. Like some others here, I'd like to know what 1911 the original poster mortgaged the house for.
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