For years I've heard politicians say our immigration system is broken, but every year about 1,000,000 people become citizens by following the process and laws. Can anyone tell me what is broken? Just because you don't want to follow the law doesn't mean its broke. Try telling that to a cop who pulls you over for speeding.
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Hair Trigger
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What makes it broken are the 3+ million who come in, don't become citizens and live off the government. The road to citizenship is full of potholes and can be hard to navigate, and takes several years. Those who choose to take this road are welcome here AFAIC; they understand the concept of working your butt off to achieve something worthwhile and becoming a productive part of our economy and culture. The rest can swim back across the Rio Grande.
My son-in-law is Colombian, BTW. It took him the better part of five years and over $50K in attorney fees, renewing his Green card yearly and filling out enough paper to pave the Caribbean all the way from Miami to Barranquilla before he was approved for citizenship.
DWalt
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I believe most everyone here already knows who believes and espouses that the immigration and naturalization system is broken and why.
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What’s broken is a system that allows employers to hire people who are here illegally (gives them a workforce that can’t complain and will work cheaply without penalty,)but come election season will scream loudly about a broken immigration system.It’s very cynical and Predictable Its a very simple fix,but we won’t do it. There’s money to be made and political points to be scored the way it is now
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Son has a very good flooring business, he employs several green card holders that are exceptional installers. These guys entered the US legally and every 2 years they have to travel to dc, pay $2K fees then travel to WVa to be finger printed.
IMHO the “ Broken” part of immigration is in dc. nuf sed as no politics.
IMHO the “ Broken” part of immigration is in dc. nuf sed as no politics.
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Sistema1927
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13 million new "voters", bought and paid for. That's what's broken.
On the one hand...Communist China doesn't have an illegal immigration problem. Neither does Iran...or Swaziland...or Russia...or Afghanistan. People are desperate to come here because this country is, and always has been, a beacon of hope to folks around the world.
On the other hand, if you cannot control your border, if you can't decide who gets to enter your country...you don't have a country. It's not a cultural issue...it's a national security issue.
There are no easy answers or quick solutions...three-word chants or slogans won't do it. Securing our southern border is as much a diplomatic challenge as it is a physical problem, and all sides of the political aisle need to work together, in good faith, to address it. Unfortunately, that ain't happening...
On the other hand, if you cannot control your border, if you can't decide who gets to enter your country...you don't have a country. It's not a cultural issue...it's a national security issue.
There are no easy answers or quick solutions...three-word chants or slogans won't do it. Securing our southern border is as much a diplomatic challenge as it is a physical problem, and all sides of the political aisle need to work together, in good faith, to address it. Unfortunately, that ain't happening...
Jon651
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Except that non-citizens and illegal aliens can't vote, and that's been unchanged since literally the very beginning of our country regardless of the party in power or the current state of the immigration and naturalization laws.
It takes many years, but people who come here legally and obtain full US citizenship through whichever process is available can vote - just like the rest of us US citizens. Illegal aliens and non-citizens flooding our elections is just a fantasy.
Britbike1 as an adult in the USA, if you can’t figure it out I feel sorry for you. Your thought process is why things are all messed up in our great country. Larry
LVSteve
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Renewing his Green Card every year? That's a new one. I never had to do that.
$50k in attorney costs sounds a bit naughty to me. In my experience, and that of some others, I'm afraid that there are some attorneys who are not that hot on immigration and others that like to milk it. When my buddy changed attorney because so little was happening to progress him beyond his H1B visa, the new guy commented that my buddy and his company had been getting screwed.
Puller
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I came in as a post-doctoral fellow on a Green Card in Sep of 1968 from the UK. In those days, there was a 50,000 "quota" for the UK then later , Teddy Kennedy finagled the numbers so that the Irish took the majority of that quota in later years and the UK became part of the EU quota. As LVSteve mentioned above (he came in significantly later) one never had to travel anywhere to renew a Green Card. My suspicion is that the person(s) referred to might have been switching from an H1-style of visa, which is term and number limited, and can be best described as a "lucrative racket". I have acted as a 'referee" for well-trained scientists who have either come in as Post-docs or finished their PhDs in the US. These are people we need, and therefore I have no problem assessing their qualifications/experience in order to apply for "green cards". Dave_n
My 92 yr old mom still has a green card after living here for 73 yrs.When my father was dying back in the 90s they took a road trip into Canada when she realized her green card had expired.She was let back in no problem.She told me her green card was actually pink
Sistema1927
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Except that non-citizens and illegal aliens can't vote, and that's been unchanged since literally the very beginning of our country regardless of the party in power or the current state of the immigration and naturalization laws.
It takes many years, but people who come here legally and obtain full US citizenship through whichever process is available can vote - just like the rest of us US citizens. Illegal aliens and non-citizens flooding our elections is just a fantasy.
If I was to explain it to you I would receive an infraction. I will just let it lay where I put it.
LVSteve
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Our Immigration System is broken for a number of reason that can’t be discussed here.
Family story: My father immigrated here from Austria in late 1939. Severed in WWII, NA and Italy, wounded combat veteran, and POW. After the war his application for citizenship was “slow tracked” because he was a former National of a Former Enemy, or so the story went. He, and my mother, had to immigrate to Canada, become a legal resident there and then immigrate back here as a Canadian Resident. He finally became a U.S. citizen in 1951.
So, yes, our system needs fixing……..
Family story: My father immigrated here from Austria in late 1939. Severed in WWII, NA and Italy, wounded combat veteran, and POW. After the war his application for citizenship was “slow tracked” because he was a former National of a Former Enemy, or so the story went. He, and my mother, had to immigrate to Canada, become a legal resident there and then immigrate back here as a Canadian Resident. He finally became a U.S. citizen in 1951.
So, yes, our system needs fixing……..
It's only broken to one side who wants "new voters" and bad businesses who want to exploit cheap foreign labor...
I believe in the rule of law. If you steal it or obtain it illegally, you didn't earn it.
If you're caught here illegally and we send you back, you should lose any prospect of legal citizenship minimum 20 years. We catch you again, 5 years starting in the fed pen, then we send you back again.
It's like rewarding criminal behaviors. It leads to worse things.
What's truly "broken" is our border and our ability to enforce our laws.
I believe in the rule of law. If you steal it or obtain it illegally, you didn't earn it.
If you're caught here illegally and we send you back, you should lose any prospect of legal citizenship minimum 20 years. We catch you again, 5 years starting in the fed pen, then we send you back again.
It's like rewarding criminal behaviors. It leads to worse things.
What's truly "broken" is our border and our ability to enforce our laws.
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