Well he was whining so much about how he didn't want to get tased again. So I guess I told him because of my evil nature. It did elicit an "Awe man, that ain't right xxxx (my street name used by the hood denizens).
imminent threat vs lethal threat
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Hard to say. I have seen a number of people who were tased. I've never even talked to anyone who had been kicked by a gorilla of any size.
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Get rid of the taser !! You aren't quick enough to hit a moving dog at 15 feet.
Bear spray or a walking stick are much more effective non lethal devices for dogs.
Bear spray or a walking stick are much more effective non lethal devices for dogs.
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I have taken a five second ride, and I have used it in the heat of battle. It is a tool, like anything else, tools work, and tools fail to work. Under the right circumstances, they are great. The trick is to have the right circumstances. I carry a gun off duty, I don't carry a taser off duty. There is a reason for that. I have personally seen great results and I have personally seen it fail. It's your call.
How bad are these loose dogs? I would prefer to up my awareness game before trying a Taser.
Without knowing how your state classifies Tasers in terms of force, I would say there are two things you should be thinking about:
(1) A dog is not equivalent to a person, legally. At best, it's property. Overwhelmingly, you should be considering what danger to bystanders your use of force creates. This is why I harp on awareness/avoidance over firing guns in neighborhoods, even to the point of "maybe don't go on walks in your own neighborhood". Having a gun isn't a license to ignore danger, and just cuz it's America don't mean you're free to do whatever you want.
(2) Don't think in terms of lethal/non-lethal. Think in terms of how grave the danger is. A dog might not be able to kill me, but I know of many people who were permanently disabled by nerve damage to the hands caused by dog bites. Similarly, just because a dog is about to bite you doesn't mean shooting is justified. I might say, for instance, "Well, this 40-pound dog is going to bite me, but the danger to myself is far less than the danger I would cause to those kids playing over there if I used my gun."
My advice? Leave the Taser at home, take your gun, keep your eyes open on your own property, find somewhere else to take walks, and call animal control.
Without knowing how your state classifies Tasers in terms of force, I would say there are two things you should be thinking about:
(1) A dog is not equivalent to a person, legally. At best, it's property. Overwhelmingly, you should be considering what danger to bystanders your use of force creates. This is why I harp on awareness/avoidance over firing guns in neighborhoods, even to the point of "maybe don't go on walks in your own neighborhood". Having a gun isn't a license to ignore danger, and just cuz it's America don't mean you're free to do whatever you want.
(2) Don't think in terms of lethal/non-lethal. Think in terms of how grave the danger is. A dog might not be able to kill me, but I know of many people who were permanently disabled by nerve damage to the hands caused by dog bites. Similarly, just because a dog is about to bite you doesn't mean shooting is justified. I might say, for instance, "Well, this 40-pound dog is going to bite me, but the danger to myself is far less than the danger I would cause to those kids playing over there if I used my gun."
My advice? Leave the Taser at home, take your gun, keep your eyes open on your own property, find somewhere else to take walks, and call animal control.
My understanding is that any LE trainer certified by Taser is required by Taser to offer training to civilians . . .
Dogs are hard enough to hit with handguns. I sure as heck would not rely on a single shot taser.
If legal, carry a collapsible baton. Or a walking stick. Or go to the second hand store and buy a set of old ski poles.
If legal, carry a collapsible baton. Or a walking stick. Or go to the second hand store and buy a set of old ski poles.
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Thanks for the replies and advice. I was able to sign up for a certified civilian course but not in my state. I plan to ask plenty of legal questions. I do have pepper spray and should carry it more often. I should mention I'm a dog owner and planned on using the taser as a last resort if another dog clamped down on my dog and I couldn't pull him off.
I would use whatever means at your disposal to not take a life if less than lethal would protect you. On a side note,...... they are not 100% effective on all folks but I'm sure your aware of that. You will KNOW if you need to ratchet up the force continuum when that time arrives. Good luck friend.
That's just a miserable situation all around. To be honest, there's no tool made that doesn't just suck out loud for that.
Best bet, if it's an ongoing problem, is to call and complain. Perhaps...seek allies. Look for families with children, get as many people together as possible, and present the issue in some fashion to your local politicians. If there are 2 or 3 houses that can't control their animals, but you can get 9 or 10 signatures on a letter, well...politicians are typically not smart, but they can tell which number is larger than the other.
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If the OP is worried about loose dogs while walking, a stout walking stick would be a better option than a TASER for a multitude of reasons. I live in a rural area and I've been astounded by the number of folks who stroll about with no protection whatsoever. Some may be carrying well concealed, others obviously are not. That last occasionally allows one to appreciate the glories of God's creation, most do not.
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Back in the day when we had electric meter readers going house to house.....
Most carried a cattle prod for bad dogs.
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A Tazer is not legal in many states, including Illinois, or pepper spray in a container larger than a tube of lipstick.
The Japanese have a sport called Kendo, where they fight with bamboo swords. If you have reason to carry a mobility aid, there is a variation on that called "Cane-Do" or "Cane Fu," which is effective against dogs, bullies and arguably the best intermediate defense against a knife attack. The TSA will X-ray it, then hand it back.
The Japanese have a sport called Kendo, where they fight with bamboo swords. If you have reason to carry a mobility aid, there is a variation on that called "Cane-Do" or "Cane Fu," which is effective against dogs, bullies and arguably the best intermediate defense against a knife attack. The TSA will X-ray it, then hand it back.
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Got the walking stick (actually a quarter staff that will be shortened some), and the bear spray is going to get ordered.
Past 70 and just had extensive surgery on my R leg, so long walks are in my future. The SC CCW is in process. Had a Fl CCW for years, but have been slow since moving to SC and a small town. Dogs are way more of a concern than people with bad intent.
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Lethal threat permits the use of lethal force.
Imminent threat that doesn't rise to lethal threat or threat of grave bodily harm would be sufficient for Taser use.
I am making that up without reading anyone else's remarks because I'm a lawyer and I can make up bullspit like that. But an imminent threat of grave bodily harm justifies the use of lethal force. You want to use a Taser? Have at it. I prefer a gun.
One can argue that if you perceive a threat that you might get punched in the mouth or something then maybe a Taser is the way to go. I prefer to not get into fist fights because in 2019 someone is going to the hospital and someone else is likely going to the morgue. Knife fights are that way; fisticuffs has become pretty much mortal combat today, too.
Imminent threat that doesn't rise to lethal threat or threat of grave bodily harm would be sufficient for Taser use.
I am making that up without reading anyone else's remarks because I'm a lawyer and I can make up bullspit like that. But an imminent threat of grave bodily harm justifies the use of lethal force. You want to use a Taser? Have at it. I prefer a gun.
One can argue that if you perceive a threat that you might get punched in the mouth or something then maybe a Taser is the way to go. I prefer to not get into fist fights because in 2019 someone is going to the hospital and someone else is likely going to the morgue. Knife fights are that way; fisticuffs has become pretty much mortal combat today, too.
I just saw this:
Carry a gun and be done with it.
Carry a gun and be done with it.
For dogs get one of those cheap ($6) STUN GUNS you hear going off at gun shows all day long. Just the crackling noise from them will keep most dogs at bay. If not, touching them with it will.
Taser vs aggressive dog... hmmmmmm... I'm thinking this is a bad idea. A dog running towards you is going to be a small target. An aggressive dog charging you is looking to do to you serious harm, possibly killing you. To me, this constitutes a life or death situation. I would not want to place my faith in a one shot electrical device that may or may not work and definitely won't work if the electrodes fail to strike or remain planted in the target.
Then there may be legal issues with carrying a taser. Laws on what is and is not allowed to be carried by civilians vary greatly from state to state. If civilian carry of a taser is illegal in your area and an LEO sees you or you get reported law enforcement, do you really want to end up in handcuffs and maybe lose your permit and perhaps your right to possess firearms?
Then there may be legal issues with carrying a taser. Laws on what is and is not allowed to be carried by civilians vary greatly from state to state. If civilian carry of a taser is illegal in your area and an LEO sees you or you get reported law enforcement, do you really want to end up in handcuffs and maybe lose your permit and perhaps your right to possess firearms?
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