Arik
Member
Also....they were never firing full auto. All shots were semi auto
In light of the French terrorist attack......
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LoboGunLeather
US Veteran
The Republic of France has been our ally since Revolutionary War days, and we must acknowledge our debt to the French people. Unfortunately, throughout the 20th Century we have seen that our French allies have always been there when they needed us.
Decades of social agendas allowing massive immigration into the homeland, dozens of enclaves of foreigners in "no entry" zones for the police or other authorities, roughly 1/6 of the population born outside the country but having full rights of citizenship, and a government that seems intent upon appeasement at any cost.
By the way, anyone with a French passport can pass into the US without a visa.
Life just gets interestinger and interestinger as we go along. Maybe there is something to be learned.
Decades of social agendas allowing massive immigration into the homeland, dozens of enclaves of foreigners in "no entry" zones for the police or other authorities, roughly 1/6 of the population born outside the country but having full rights of citizenship, and a government that seems intent upon appeasement at any cost.
By the way, anyone with a French passport can pass into the US without a visa.
Life just gets interestinger and interestinger as we go along. Maybe there is something to be learned.
rog8732
US Veteran
Well, for two things, France is "enamored" with muslims, if "radical" or not, and an air-flight is just over 8 hours at about $900.00 from France to the U S.
And, two more things, the U S already proved in 2001 we do NOT control the air, and; we seem to be just as content as can be with , making damned sure we DO NOT "profile" any body nor anything.
Do you realize there were twelve people killed, and ten or more wounded, because they PUBLISHED CARTOONS ??
I started this thread just because I was appalled by the police officers showing up who were unarmed and the fact that people were cowering under their desks while waiting to be murdered.
I remember when the massacre at Beslan, Russia occured and over 350 died while they sat waiting to be executed:
CNN.com - Russia school siege toll tops 350 - Sep 4, 2004
It just happened again just two weeks ago in Pakistan:
Pakistan School Massacre
I am a retired LEO (Chief of a small town department) and a retired soldier (senior Army Infantry NCO). I read this book:
Foreward: Day of Wrath by William R. Forstchen
and I started carrying a long gun in the trunk of my car.
This is coming to us and no one in the entire world is standing up to them.
I remember when the massacre at Beslan, Russia occured and over 350 died while they sat waiting to be executed:
CNN.com - Russia school siege toll tops 350 - Sep 4, 2004
It just happened again just two weeks ago in Pakistan:
Pakistan School Massacre
I am a retired LEO (Chief of a small town department) and a retired soldier (senior Army Infantry NCO). I read this book:
Foreward: Day of Wrath by William R. Forstchen
and I started carrying a long gun in the trunk of my car.
This is coming to us and no one in the entire world is standing up to them.
Remember that thing called WWII?
Actually there were armed guard(s) and body guard(s) in the building that was hit, IIRC.
and how much better would have it have been if everybody was armed?
Would it even have happened?
Wow... just wow...
I completely agree. I don't want to be in the position of that unarmed police officer being gunned down while only being able to put his hands up. Yes, most likely I'll be killed anway but if I'm armed I'll at least have a chance, even if it's a small one.
Flattop5
Member
Yes. Muslims aren't Western. France is a Western country. See the problem? I do. Western countries must remain Western. Immigration must be stopped.
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fredj338
Member
There may have been more rounds fired and maybe not. These perps seemed to have had training and a plan. Not everyone who has a firearm on their person could fend off a surprise attack like this. I'm assuredly not against concealed carry by civilians, but not every person who has a license/ permit is a capable pistolero.
Jim, the world has been that way for a number of years now. Now, insane things happen much more often than they did 20 - 25 years ago. Sadly as a nation we have become weak and complacent. It's up to everyone else to take care of "us" whoever us really is. Don't believe me, just look at some of the demands the progressive and protesters are putting out almost daily.
JJEH
Member
You can't force people to carry a firearm!
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Seriously?
Your statement is every bit as offensive as telling people (not otherwise dq'd, of course) they cannot carry a gun.
Your statement is every bit as offensive as telling people (not otherwise dq'd, of course) they cannot carry a gun.
I've heard this on several reports.......also conflicting reports on if the shooters had military training...... some say yes, some no.
Were the AKs full auto or not.......the one photo of the police car's windshield tells me ; the shooter was very close,short bursts, very good or firing semi......don't know..........they did seem to exhibit some level of discipline.
Also reports that they seemed to have a plan and were looking for named individuals.
I would rather have a gun than not.........
shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
It appears the killers showed considerable tactical skill, using cover, etc. They also apparently were wearing body armor. Certainly they were better armed than any civilian carrying a concealed weapon would have been.
It sounds as if they had received training. Certainly they seemed to have practiced the requisite skills.
One report suggests they had recently been to Syria.
I'm very skeptical that they would have "folded". They knew whom they had come to kill and why. They were fanatics on a mission, and they carried it out with precision and efficiency.
I find the idea of mandatory carry horrifying. I could throw a rock from where I live and hit any of a dozen people who should NEVER be trusted with a firearm due to physical incapability, poor judgment, or mental instability. I live in a metro area of 1.4 million people. What percentage of a number like that would be unfit to carry a gun? And that doesn't even take into account my sense that people should have freedom to arm themselves IF THEY CHOOSE.
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I made the original post to spur conversation. Having a mandate to carry a firearm holds equal disagreeable weight to a mandate denying the right to carry at all.
But in the situation in Paris (and many others like Belsen and Pakistan) the mandate was "no firearms allowed" and that didn't seem to work out.
So, instead of making the same mistake over and over again, why not go in an opposite direction, hence, mandated carry.
My personal belief is in constitutional carry being the law of the US and indeed, the whole rest of the world. Since I am 67, i am fairly certain I won't see it in my time, but still.........
Terrorists and criminals are bullies. The only way to stand up to a bully is by overwhelming force.
You know, the "Chicago Way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E
But in the situation in Paris (and many others like Belsen and Pakistan) the mandate was "no firearms allowed" and that didn't seem to work out.
So, instead of making the same mistake over and over again, why not go in an opposite direction, hence, mandated carry.
My personal belief is in constitutional carry being the law of the US and indeed, the whole rest of the world. Since I am 67, i am fairly certain I won't see it in my time, but still.........
Terrorists and criminals are bullies. The only way to stand up to a bully is by overwhelming force.
You know, the "Chicago Way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E
