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My favorite comic (day by day) mentioned this article today and thought I would share. An anti who has been boycotting starbucks because of their open carry policy decided to buy a gun, get her cpl and carry for a month...with no training.
My Month With a Gun: Week One
I think she is being very irreponsible the way she is going about this, she was afraid/scarred to even check her new in the box glock! Thought it would jump out and go on a bloody rampage because it had a magazine in it. I'm going to follow this, hopefully she gets more training and actually shoots it in a safe manner at a range. Maybe she'll see guns aren't evil at the end of this.
 
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marvin the martian said:
My favorite comic (day by day) mentioned this article today and thought I would share. An anti who has been boycotting starbucks because of their open carry policy decided to buy a gun, get her cpl and carry for a month...with no training.
My Month With a Gun: Week One
I think she is being very irreponsible the way she is going about this, she was afraid/scarred to even check her new in the box glock! Thought it would jump out and go on a bloody rampage because it had a magazine in it. I'm going to follow this, hopefully she gets more training and actually shoots it in a safe manner at a range. Maybe she'll see guns aren't evil at the end of this.
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The key sentence is "only do what is minimally required for permits, licensing, purchasing and carrying". And with that criteria she should not get training beyond what is required by law.

When I took my CC class there were at least 12 women in the class...and all but three would be defined much like this woman...doing the least possible to be legal.

The woman standing next to me on the range test nearly jumped out of her skin when I fired my 45...she had never been to a range, never hearing gunfire up close, only shooting six shots of the shiny new 22 revolver at a friend's farm before taking the cc class.

Would I prefer someone who takes classes and gets warmed up to guns...absolutely. But what that blogger is doing is much like what many other folks are doing every day in cc classes.

And, I would have put four of the guys in that same boat...never having shot before or been to a range.
 
Hill_Country said:
The woman uses her First Amendment right to prove she's an idiot. <head shaking mode>
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Something like that. For example, is she really telling the truth about Tony? Maybe he offered to show her the basics of how to handle the Glock and she declined because it was above the "minimum"? Clowns like this lady are always good at stacking the deck in the favor of the point they want to make and ignoring some pretty simple stuff that might make their picture a little less rosy.

If she dresses as shown in the picture, all she is doing with her 1-month campaign is risking being disarmed and increasing the chances she will put another gun on the street that shouldn't be there.
 
I'm willing to bet that gun sitting on her hip in Starbucks isn't loaded. This is all a stupid game. She wants everyone to believe that all these people getting a gun, their permit and beginning to carry are that stupid and ignorant. :mad: BTW, did anybody notice how HUGE that G26 looks on her hip? She must be really tiny. Not as tiny as her brain, though. :rolleyes:
 
JFootin said:
She must be really tiny. Not as tiny as her brain, though. :rolleyes:
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:D :D :D

No doubt the photo was deliberately taken with a wide-angle lens to exaggerate the size of the Glock. But really, she missed her chance to select something bigger and make her "experiment" even more dramatic - maybe a .500 Magnum!

She must be an embarrassment to her children. What a doofus... :rolleyes:
 
I read the article/blog but I really didn't need to. This lady wrtes for MS magazine. That is one of the most liberal publications in existence. Her stated purpose is to show how easily one can get a gun and legally carry it with no training or knowledge. Then when a cop suggests that she get some training she refuses. She knows what she is doing and has the "credibility" to back it up.

I want to know where she found a Glock to buy. :D :D
 
The writer is doing something out of her comfort zone, willing to look at different sides of an issue and she gets chastised for it.

Nice. We should all be proud.
 
carpe pugna said:
The writer is doing something out of her comfort zone, willing to look at different sides of an issue and she gets chastised for it.

Nice. We should all be proud.
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You know as well as I do that she's going to bias it to serve her own personal agenda. She's not going into this with an open mind to look at both sides of an issue, she's trying to prove a point.
My hope is that she wises up, gets interested in what she's doing, gets some training, a decent holster and becomes a responsible gun owner.
 
snubbyfan said:
You know as well as I do that she's going to bias it to serve her own personal agenda. She's not going into this with an open mind to look at both sides of an issue, she's trying to prove a point.
My hope is that she wises up, gets interested in what she's doing, gets some training, a decent holster and becomes a responsible gun owner.
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I don't know that she is going to bias it...I only know what she says.

I have several friends on the left who have asked me to take them to the farm to shoot, to get a better understanding of guns since this subject is discussed everywhere.

My hope is that, after her awareness experiment she does what is most comfortable for her, whether it is to become a gun person - about 35% of which are liberal - or not.

What's interesting is that she has the guts to put it out there for everyone to see as she makes decisions.
 
mc5aw said:
"Community Organizer" is all I need to see on a resume to know a person's agenda.
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The community organizer in my home town is a 6'5" 350# retired DEA agent out of Miami who is trying to stop meth from proliferating in his home town.
 
I can't even begin to express my disgust at this woman. If she really wanted to prove something, she would go the whole nine yards, starting with education and training. Like it or not, she is now a "carrying gun owner." Which makes us all look bad, and brings her own intelligence into question.
 
I posted a reply to the article...
"So: your point is to prove how irresponsible people can be? And you are doing it by – being irresponsible?
Ummm, okay….
Well, I really do hope it works out the way you planned, instead of it turning into some sort of life-altering tragedy, for your family's sake if not for your own."
 
This young lady is laser-focused on illustrating how "irresponsible" the rest of us are... and is grossly irresponsible in the process.
 
carpe pugna said:
The writer is doing something out of her comfort zone, willing to look at different sides of an issue and she gets chastised for it.

Nice. We should all be proud.
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yeah, we should be ... we see this as a setup leading into another piece that will state how crazy we all must be. We call this situational awareness.
So far she's stated that it was easier to get a gun and CCW than license her dog. Then expounded how horrifying the gun is to her, and how she carries this source of horror amongst children .... I or anyone else here can tell you with near absolute certainty that her accounts will go downhill from here as bias obviously exists at the foundation of her experiment.

Its this obvious bias at her roots we contest.
We teach people to shoot, and handle guns.
we correct mistakes.
we support the decision to carry, or not to carry in some cases.
we even teach people to reload.
we even teach some quantity of gunsmithing.
We do this because the inquiries and need for this knowledge is genuine.
We ding this chickipoo because she can be nothing but disingenuous
 
venomballistics said:
yeah, we should be ... we see this as a setup leading into another piece that will state how crazy we all must be. We call this situational awareness.
So far she's stated that it was easier to get a gun and CCW than license her dog. Then expounded how horrifying the gun is to her, and how she carries this source of horror amongst children .... I or anyone else here can tell you with near absolute certainty that her accounts will go downhill from here as bias obviously exists at the foundation of her experiment.

Its this obvious bias at her roots we contest.
We teach people to shoot, and handle guns.
we correct mistakes.
we support the decision to carry, or not to carry in some cases.
we even teach people to reload.
we even teach some quantity of gunsmithing.
We do this because the inquiries and need for this knowledge is genuine.
We ding this chickipoo because she can be nothing but disingenuous
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I learned long ago not to make assumptions.

But to the point, she had no reason to buy a gun and decide to carry just to reinforce her bias - or to propagate that bias to others through writing. She could do that just by writing her opinion pieces.

And what most bothers me, we all know many people just like her that are gun owners...folks who do the very minimum necessary to carry [or buy in some states]. While some of us teach others to shoot, correct mistakes, drill down to specific interests in our hobby, many don't. Many buy a gun because they were advised by someone to do so "to be safe" and they load it, stick it in the closet and that is it. No practice, no training, no hobby...just "gun owner".

This article makes a pretty good Rorschach test. People see what they want. I saw a woman who didn't want to be labeled as just anti-gun, one who wanted to try and understand "the other side". Others see nefarious intent.

What she has gotten from most in the gun community is derision, not because of what she has said but what gun forum members assume she might say in the future.

We sure don't like it when folks stereotype us like we as a group are stereotyping her.
 
After reading her article I couldn't help but speak out..she is being a ninny! And that is the kindest word for how angry I am that I can post on this forum lol.
I wrote her the following comment.

Ma'am, with all do respect I implore you to go and receive some training with your firearm. Do not do just what the "minimum requirements" are, that is not the way of a responsible gun owner. Just because you can buy something easily does not mean you shouldn't know how it works or how to handle it. It is very easy to go and buy a puppy, but you would not just go and buy a puppy without preparing for it to arrive at your house, doing research on a breed, researching behavior or said breed, and taking it to socialize with other dogs when the time is right. I urge you to reconsider you view on training and seek it out, especially with a Glock! Of all the guns that you actually need to learn how to manage a Glock is probably at the top of the list as far as safety goes. You would not bring home a full grown German Shepard and turn him loose would you?
Sincerely,
-Brandon
 
Being the devils advocate here.

All those advocating that the young lady is irresponsible for not getting adequate training, do you support mandatory training for concealed carry? For permission to purchase a firearm?
 
This article is total bravo sierra. The author has an obvious bias against firearms and firearms owners, and is trying to cleverly portray herself as open-minded. The piece smacks of such anti-gun bias throughout, from painting Tony the FFL as irresponsible in selling a neophyte a semi-auto handgun, to her description of pro-gun advocates at Starbucks as "big hairy men".

Two other hypocritical gems betray the writer's true intentions ...

1) "I have four rules: Carry it with me at all times, follow the laws of my state, only do what is minimally required for permits, licensing, purchasing and carrying, and finally be prepared to use it for protecting myself at home or in public."

Her third and fourth rules are asinine, as they contradict one another. She is obviously trying to prove how easy it is to purchase a handgun and remain ignorant of its usage, leading to the none-too-surprising conclusion that all guns are bad.

2) "I wondered what would it be like to be that good guy with a gun? What would it be like to get that gun, live with that gun, be out and about with that gun. Finally, what happens when you don't want that gun any more?"

Read that last line closely ... She has already concluded that she will get rid of the handgun when her "trial period" is over. She has no intentions of being open minded, nor entertaining the possibility that owning a firearm could be beneficial. She does sound pretty happy with being a gun toting poseur though.

So what we have here is some liberal hack trying to be clever, but ending up showing a very transparent agenda. Her gun ownership is a farce, as is her belief that simply carrying a firearm will magically protect her. She did prove that any idiot with a clean record can buy a Glock however, which is an argument for a different day.

I file this bogus reportage with similar trash in the proper receptacle.
 
jlrhiner said:
Being the devils advocate here.

All those advocating that the young lady is irresponsible for not getting adequate training, do you support mandatory training for concealed carry? For permission to purchase a firearm?
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Personally, I do. Not so much a training as a crash course! I think most people will seek something out anyways so why not? I did, I was very grateful to receive some tactical training and hone my shooting skills. It might put some of these anti-gun nuts at ease if everyone learned a little something about the tool they use.
 
I wonder if, 700 years ago, she would strap on a longsword, after writing a book about victims of sword violence... :rolleyes:

People like her like to pretend violence wouldn't happen if a certain type of weapon didn't exist.
 
wildenout said:
Personally, I do. Not so much a training as a crash course! I think most people will seek something out anyways so why not? I did, I was very grateful to receive some tactical training and hone my shooting skills. It might put some of these anti-gun nuts at ease if everyone learned a little something about the tool they use.
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Sure. A little regulation is good. Mandatory training, that's the ticket. Needs to be at least 104 hours of instruction with a 50 hour, 10,000 round refresher every month. The range and instructor need to meet certain standards, of course. Definitely, need to regulate the number of rounds of ammunition one can carry, too.

Is this ludicrous? Of course. Does government ever over regulate? Of course. Is there a problem that this would fix? Not that I've seen.
 
I thought it was an interesting piece. She did a good job of disproving her presupposition that if we let the public carry guns people will die and cars will explode. I'm not sure that's what she set out to do but that was the end result.

She is an example of the type of person Cooper used to talk so much about; people like her have an irrational fear of guns. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
carpe pugna said:
I learned long ago not to make assumptions.

But to the point, she had no reason to buy a gun and decide to carry just to reinforce her bias - or to propagate that bias to others through writing. She could do that just by writing her opinion pieces.

And what most bothers me, we all know many people just like her that are gun owners...folks who do the very minimum necessary to carry [or buy in some states]. While some of us teach others to shoot, correct mistakes, drill down to specific interests in our hobby, many don't. Many buy a gun because they were advised by someone to do so "to be safe" and they load it, stick it in the closet and that is it. No practice, no training, no hobby...just "gun owner".

This article makes a pretty good Rorschach test. People see what they want. I saw a woman who didn't want to be labeled as just anti-gun, one who wanted to try and understand "the other side". Others see nefarious intent.

What she has gotten from most in the gun community is derision, not because of what she has said but what gun forum members assume she might say in the future.

We sure don't like it when folks stereotype us like we as a group are stereotyping her.
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And I learned long ago that things follow the path of least resistance.

She's an anti with some standing in anti circles.
While at some deep hidden never to be seen level some opinions may change ... she will stay the prescribed course of crucifying the second amendment.
If she does not, she loses her standing in her circles and loses her voice.
 
wildenout said:
Personally, I do. Not so much a training as a crash course! I think most people will seek something out anyways so why not? I did, I was very grateful to receive some tactical training and hone my shooting skills. It might put some of these anti-gun nuts at ease if everyone learned a little something about the tool they use.
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there may be a few exceptions, but for the most part, we are all trained.
it may have been at Thunder Ranch
It may have been a hunters safety course
It may have been in the military
It may have been our fathers
Some have credentials, others not but the basics are covered, and have been for 237 years.
 
Well FWIW I weighed i with a comment but it's not showing up yet as it's moderated. We'll see. I pointed out that of her 4 rules 2 are mutually exclusive and incompatible. She can't both do only the minimum required AND be ready to defend herself and others unless she's thought out what that means and how to do it. Not even knowing whether the gun is loaded means she CANNOT fulfill her objective of being ready to defend herself.
 
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