IS GLOCK QUALITY REALLY GOING DOWNHILL?

Bought my wife a G-42 and went to the range with a box of Winchester 92 gn FMJ. Had a lot of FTE.
May be due to not enough rounds down the tube for break in.??
Had a partial box of Lawmen 95gn TMJ and shot 12 rounds no problems. Will try again next outing.

I found my G42 wouldn't run with WWB at all, could not get thru 1 mag without a problem..
Runs 100% with Magtech 95 gr FMJ and Speer Gold Dot 90gr JHP.

As to the OP, I favor my Gen 2 and 2.5 Glocks.
Although I've owned several Gen 3s and 1 Gen 4, I never had an issue with any Glock I've ever owned (counting about 15 now).
Maybe I'm just lucky...:)

Also I care not if it has MIM parts or not.
It works, that is all that matters....
 
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To answer the OP's main question, I don't think that the "quality" of Glock has gone down hill. We have Gen 4 G19 and G17 at my job. They work fine. Much ado about nothing is made about MIM. I have several guns with MIM parts. They work fine. Gun makers run in to problems with updates in designs that have narrow performance windows. Meaning parts, subsystems etc have specified sizes. There is a specific size that every part needs to be. Since guns are complex machines, they cycles of function in which everything has to happen within a specific time. There will always be a difference in what it is supposed to be and what it actually is. Some guns run with big differences in things. Some are not tolerant of much variance at all. I will use the mighty G Lock as an example only because that is the gun that I have the most professional experience with. Glock's change in manufacturing method and design spec for extractors resulted in a slightly different sized and shaped extractor. Think late Gen 3 and Early Gen 4 9mm Glocks. Add a little wear or a faster extraction due to spring wear and a once functioning gun became an intermittently functioning one. Another would be the G22s reliability, or lack thereof, with a WML. Same as the reliable G17 in design and parts. But, stiffer frame due to WML installation = higher slide velocities = guns out running their magazines = weapon malfunctions. This was the theory at least and some G22's ran well with lights. The G22 has a narrower performance and is less tolerant to changes in timing. Less to do with quality than manufacturing and engineering.

With regard to the trigger(s) on your M&P pistols, have you checked out the Apex duty trigger kits? Los cost and they really make the trigger feel "glockier".

Doctor Gary Roberts has posted some excellent standards for reliability for pistols in other forums. They are, in my opinion, a solid benchmark that a defensive pistol in any caliber should be able to meet.
 
There's two words not normally used together...Glock & Quality! Reliability...Iffy. I'll stick to S&W N-frames.
 
There are good and bad...

There's nothing inherently poor about the MIM process. But just like everything else you can make very good parts all the down to lousy if your process and quality control aren't right.
 
It's only the late 3rd and early 4th gen 9mm. They changed the angle of the extractor. And they never failed, they just had erratic extraction. It would start to extract more to the shooter's face. They never failed. The problem has since been addressed
Largely agreed, but would add that unfortunately there were failures -- lots of them. I can speak from personal experience with a Gen4 17 and 19, and boatloads of research looking into other user experience.

Prevalent symptoms were erratic and weak ejection (lots of complaints about brass to face), but stovepipes and double-feeds were also common.
 
Light loads

My daughter had an early G19 gen4 which was finicky with some light load ammo.
She installed a replacement recoil spring assembly, provided by Glock RSA recall, which corrected the intermittent (ammo based) problem. No other problems I'm aware of and family members currently own several gen 4's in various calibers as well as numerous friends and local PD members.
For a combat handgun, I think the Glock is hard to beat. I'm not aware of any other parts issues but maybe there are. If I were limited to only one fighting handgun, based on reliability, dependability, ease of operation & maintenance, etc., it would likely be the G17 in current configuration.
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Need to find a spring for light load ammo, Glock intended for standard load ammo and +P ammo.
 
I carry a G17 (GEN/2/3/4) since 1994. All of my Glocks are in 9mm. Carry on duty , off duty , shoot them A LOT. Never had a problems with any of my Glocks.

PS. Soon after I buy a new Glock , I change all the magazine springs to Wolff springs.(except for G43).I only use premium JHP ammo or NATO BALL. No Walmart stuff and no reloads.
 
Glock quality

To answer the OP's main question, I don't think that the "quality" of Glock has gone down hill. We have Gen 4 G19 and G17 at my job. They work fine. Much ado about nothing is made about MIM. I have several guns with MIM parts. They work fine. Gun makers run in to problems with updates in designs that have narrow performance windows. Meaning parts, subsystems etc have specified sizes. There is a specific size that every part needs to be. Since guns are complex machines, they cycles of function in which everything has to happen within a specific time. There will always be a difference in what it is supposed to be and what it actually is. Some guns run with big differences in things. Some are not tolerant of much variance at all. I will use the mighty G Lock as an example only because that is the gun that I have the most professional experience with. Glock's change in manufacturing method and design spec for extractors resulted in a slightly different sized and shaped extractor. Think late Gen 3 and Early Gen 4 9mm Glocks. Add a little wear or a faster extraction due to spring wear and a once functioning gun became an intermittently functioning one. Another would be the G22s reliability, or lack thereof, with a WML. Same as the reliable G17 in design and parts. But, stiffer frame due to WML installation = higher slide velocities = guns out running their magazines = weapon malfunctions. This was the theory at least and some G22's ran well with lights. The G22 has a narrower performance and is less tolerant to changes in timing. Less to do with quality than manufacturing and engineering.

With regard to the trigger(s) on your M&P pistols, have you checked out the Apex duty trigger kits? Los cost and they really make the trigger feel et through "glockier".

Doctor Gary Roberts has posted some excellent standards for reliability for pistols in other forums. They are, in my opinion, a solid benchmark that a defensive pistol in any caliber should be able to meet.

Been a Glock owner since 1994, never had any serious issues, bad firearms get through from time to time from any manufacture, companies that makes parts for them usually the problem?
 
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