Is my Walther obsolete just becasuse there's newer, lighter, more powerful guns now?

Been carrying a Walter PP .380 since 1972. Gun control is hitting what you intend to shoot be it critter or human varmit. Spray and pray of the high cap pistols goes against stats. The majority of defensive shootings are up close and personal and over in seconds.

And here we go! The lower capacity pistol automatically bestows superior marksmanship to the user. A "hi cap plastic fantastic" GUARANTEES spray and pray and reckless shooting!! If only they could fit 3 or 4 rounds in a snubby .38, nobody would ever miss then!!

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The PPK is Still a Class Act...

I carry either a S&W Shield 9mm V2.0 or a Sig P365. But I have no intention of letting go of my 1967 blue Walther PPK .380. My father carried it before I got it. It is still very concealable and IMO, a good CCW. It is a bit heavy, but I find it to be incredibly accurate. Do I prefer to carry the 9mm Shield or P365? Yes, most definitely, but the PPK is still an option for some of my activities.
 
In the mid 80s there were Shotgun News ads selling surplus Walther .32 PPs with a holster and maybe cleaning tools. They were very low priced. Mike Venturino wrote an article about his. Probably loading cast bullets. Then in 1988 I was in Livingston MT and visited him. Sitting at his kitchen table drinking a Coke I saw that very Walther in a certain place for home defense. This was back when Yellowstone was on fire. Oh. He showed me his Triplelock Target, too.
 
My PP

My PP that I still love. Made after the war when Germany was banned from making guns under licensing to Manurhin in France.
 

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When my son left the Marines in 2005 I bought him a used Beretta 92 as a gift, but he said he'd rather have my 3913. So I gave him it instead. Since I only really like older stuff, the 3913 seems modern to me. My friend looks at my nickel 39-2 as an antique!

I have the same issue with my nickel 39-2 and 59 along with my 59 no dash, 645 and 745. The range rats like at me funny because all of my guns are metal and wood, not plastic.
 
All of this ridiculous talk about capacity! I suppose I could pose this elsewhere, but, NOT counting LEO, how many of you/us out there has been in a gun fight where we have needed 6-8-10 OR any rounds of capacity????? I'm growing sick and tired of this "capacity" discussion!!!

I'm sure that somebody will be along shortly to post links to news articles complete with reports of gunfights with some meth-head who took 50+ rounds of 5.56 to drop because every bullet just happened to miss a vital, as if this is by any means a common occurrence and not something all but unheard of, hence why it made headlines in the first place.
 
I showed a 40-somthing who EDC is a SiG 365 one of my Browning MkIII HPs with Millet front sight ( like on the Practical) and Spegel Grips......reaction was "where's the de-cocker" ...... pretty ho-hum...."that's nice"

And he's considers himself a badass tacticoool "gun guy"......... from "19-Glock , of the Common Era " to present...... all in basic tupperware black!!!!!!

Actually a nice guy on the County SAR Team!

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DR. NO chapter 2 "Choice of Weapons"

I read the books in the 7th-8th grade after the movie Dr. No changed the world. in 1991 I vacationed in Jamaica, rented a deathtrap motorcycle, and found Fleming's Goldeneye estate in Orcabessa (misplaced on tourist maps), was allowed in by the cleaning lady and photoed the place.

guess I was a bit of a fan. of the first three movies only. anyway, in chapter 2 Bond is relieved of his sawed off, taped, skeleton gripped 7.65 Baretta, and given the PPK in .32.

this made many of us melt for the weapon for decades.

the interesting part for the sake of this forum is when M asks for something bigger, the armourer suggests a Smith and Wesson Centennial Airweight hammerless in .38 SW special. he says it carries only 5 for weight purposes but, after they're gone, someone's dead.

this then is the root of my .38 special infatuation, no doubt.

as to the Walther, I always scratch my head when people discuss shoot-out parameters with their guns. I do not intend to shoot anybody, I intend to show it and watch the bad guys disappear.

of course, bluffing with a toy or not being able to actually handle it is a mistake. but I own a gun or two for home defense expressly to show it and point it if the need arises. only under temporary loss of civic order would I feel steeled to possibly actually shoot someone.

so the Walther PPK is perfect. feels good, looks good, fun to shoot at the range, makes you feel like 007. what's not to like?
 
Please and respectfully, define "better".

Sig P365
smaller, lighter, more rounds, more substantial caliber, lower recoil, better sites, better trigger, more reliable.

The Walther is still a perfectly acceptable, functional carry but acting like there arn't better options is about as silly as thinking there arn't better options for an SMG than the Thompson.

I carry a steel frame 5 shot revolver most of the time, because it's what I like, and I shoot it well, but my Shield is absolutely. A better carry gun.
 
And here we go! The lower capacity pistol automatically bestows superior marksmanship to the user. A "hi cap plastic fantastic" GUARANTEES spray and pray and reckless shooting!! If only they could fit 3 or 4 rounds in a snubby .38, nobody would ever miss then!!

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I agree, folks tend to make that assumption that more rounds mean accuracy goes to pot.

To be fair however, there is a grain of truth in that in a few different contexts:

1) When police officers switched from revolvers to semi-autos the average number of rounds fired per officer in an engagement went up. Slightly. Research showed averages for rounds fired by officers increased from 2.3 to 2.6 with revolvers to averages around 3.2 rounds to 3.7 rounds for officers with semi-auto pistols. Not exactly spray and pray due to having a larger capacity magazine.

That said the average police officer shoots badly and real world hit percentages average around 15%-20%, and dropping to around 10%-12% at ranges over 7 yards. Some departments do much better - around 50% for Baltimore - due to much better training separate from type of firearm used.

Overall however the hit percentage situation has only gotten worse with semi-auto service pistols, if for no other reason than the slightly higher number of rounds fired resulting in more misses and lower percentages.

2) Similar to most kids focusing more on marksmanship with a single shot than with a semi-auto, or even bolt action, repeater, many of the shooters I see at the range with high capacity semi-auto pistols seem to be a lot less concerned with accuracy than the guys I see at the range with revolvers or single stack semi-auto pistols.

Some of that is due to the knowledge that the number of rounds is limited.

3) There is a degree of truth behind the statement that guns like a J frame snubby are "experts guns". You'll find people who are proficient with them shooting small groups at social shooting distance ranges and beyond. Those shooters do not see a short barrel and short sight radius as an impediment to accuracy - or an excuse for poor accuracy.

Then again, you'll find the opposite in the form of the folks who insist that a snub nose revolver is only meant for short range, point and shoot engagements. I always have visions of Edward G. Robinson pushing his revolver forward with each shot in some gangster movie when I hear this.

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It's also more complicated than just magazine capacity.

I see a lot of folks on the internet and in the real world who are fans of carrying a light weight alloy J frame like the 340 with .357 Magnum ammo. I have yet to meet someone who shoots one of these well, and few who can shoot one well with .38+P ammo.

Smaller and lighter isn't always better, or at least is only better within limits.

The Kimber Micro weighs half as much as the PPK/S, but has a perceived recoil that is very similar due to the locked breech versus blow back design spreading the recoil out over a lightly longer period of time and using a lighter recoil spring. The Kimber Micro is also smaller and easier to conceal. That's a pretty solid argument for "newer is better" (although it's odd to call a miniature reheat of the 1911 design, "new" in comparison to the 1929-1931 PP and PPK design).

However, on the negative side the 2.75" barrel in the Kimber Micro results in reduced velocity compared to the 3.4" PPK and PPK/S barrels - 50 to 70 fps based on load - in a marginal cartridge where 50 to 70 fps makes a difference.

On the smaller and lighter isn't better side of the coin, I see shooters who like to carry a sub compact pistol in 9mm Luger, like the Kimber Micro 9 or the Glock 43. Like the airweight snub nose revolvers, I don't see many people who shoot them well.

In general, I see much better accuracy from most shooters with the .380 ACP Kimber Micro or Glock 42.

Too much cartridge in too small of a gun tends to have significant detrimental effects on accuracy.
 
Back in the 90s I replaced my Colt Mustang Pocketlite with a new Interarms PPK. Other than the weight I liked the PPK better in every aspect.
Zero failures, accurate and did not care what ammo I used.
With Hydra Shock ammo it shot exactly to the point of aim.
Only reason I moved on is I wanted a laser. The PPK/S had one available but not the PPK.
 
I have three Walthers, a P.38, a PPK/S, and this one that I'm very pleased to own. It was willed to me by a WWII P-47 pilot, who brought it back from the European theatre. It was his personal protection piece, and he was carrying it when he once had to bail out of his crippled plane over a combat area.

Wartime PPKs are hard to come by now, and I feel very blessed to have this one that belonged to a good friend from the greatest generation.

John

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I had a Walther PPKS and sold it to buy something else. The gun is cute but way too heavy and bites the hand that feeds it. I would rather have a lighter 9mm or 40 Cal. (that I carry daily) for a carry weapon.
 
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