Is the CZ 75B the top military/LE handgun
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Damn Yankee
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I have a P-01 in 9MM and it is a fine shooing pistol. Bought a couple of 40 cal mags and they will hold 15 9mm with one in the chamber Last time i qualified had 249 out of 250.
I would say in Europe probably yes,or some variation of it.
But the amount of Beretta 92's out there would be hard to beat.
Non the less it is a great pistol, One of the first guns I bought and still going strong. They start shooting better after 2-3 hundred rounds.
But the amount of Beretta 92's out there would be hard to beat.
Non the less it is a great pistol, One of the first guns I bought and still going strong. They start shooting better after 2-3 hundred rounds.
They say:
CZ 75 B is used by more Govern-ments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
Which to me does not mean that there are more of them or the best selling gun. A lot of agencies use them but maybe they only have 10 of them (just for example) So if there are 100's of agencies using them but are not large numbers of them, they can make that claim.
But I of course do not know for sure. What do the Russian Military and the Chinese and Koreans carry?
CZ 75 B is used by more Govern-ments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
Which to me does not mean that there are more of them or the best selling gun. A lot of agencies use them but maybe they only have 10 of them (just for example) So if there are 100's of agencies using them but are not large numbers of them, they can make that claim.
But I of course do not know for sure. What do the Russian Military and the Chinese and Koreans carry?
In Czechoslavia yes....maybe even Botswana
My vote would be GLOCK
The CZ claim is that it is "in use" by more government, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol. That really doesn't say anything about how many have been sold. 1,000 agencies that buy 10 CZ's each still doesn't amount to very much. I would be amazed if they have more handguns in service that either Glock or Beretta.
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GatorFarmer
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Norinco makes a fair number of guns for the Chinese military and police, unless things have changed and they've gotten new toys, they use a somewhat odd blowback 9mm that you can use the front of the trigger guard to cock one handed. They're still sold commercially in Canada. Lots of Tokarev copies came from Chicom arsenals too and they still make them for commercial sale.
Lots of foreign militaries bought CZ75s. When the Iron Curtain fell, and former Warsaw Pact nations needed 9mm pistols to standardize on Nato calibers, the CZ was very attractive price wise. If you order a bunch of them, you can still get them for a song. The machinery long ago paid for itself, and a cheap spray on finish and plastic grips makes an export military model attractive in terms of ticket price.
Except for what has been sold off for quick cash, the Russians squirrelled away everything they ever had that would shoot in some storage depot or another.
Lots of foreign militaries bought CZ75s. When the Iron Curtain fell, and former Warsaw Pact nations needed 9mm pistols to standardize on Nato calibers, the CZ was very attractive price wise. If you order a bunch of them, you can still get them for a song. The machinery long ago paid for itself, and a cheap spray on finish and plastic grips makes an export military model attractive in terms of ticket price.
Except for what has been sold off for quick cash, the Russians squirrelled away everything they ever had that would shoot in some storage depot or another.
cmort666
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Speaking of Norinco, a few years ago a friend bought me a one of those big picture gun books they sell at the closeout stores. I figured it was one of those "this is a gun" kind of things you see that are good for beginners, but not much interest to somebody who's been shooting since the '70s. When I finally opened it up, was I wrong. It's basically a "catalog" of every company making handguns at the time, with a detailed rundown of their product. This leads us to Norinco:
Norinco makes [unlicensed] copies of pretty much EVERYBODY else's guns in the world. About the only thing they haven't copied is the Colt New Service and the Mannlicher 7.65mm auto. I don't have it handy, but I think they copied the Glock, CZ75 AND the SIG.
I've got a Norinco M1911 which I carry regularly. The major components are first rate. Not so much the small parts when I bought it off a friend. After replacing all or most of the trigger mechanism parts, it's been a reliable and accurate carry gun.
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Overseas, perhaps, I don't know of any LE agencies here in NJ that carry them.
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They may not carry them, but have any authorized them? That might be part of how they get their numbers.
I have a couple of Norinco's that I reworked as well. They are decent guns. The entire gun is made of forged steel. I found the small parts better than many of the investment cast aftermarket parts. I did end up replacing many of them though. I wish I could find another one at a good price.
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I like the CZ. But we had a fellow who posted here last year (?) that the gun failed US govt. trials for several agencies.
He gave no details. Does anyone else know anything about that?
I like the Beretta M-92, but suspect that the CZ may be more durable over the long haul.
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He gave no details. Does anyone else know anything about that?
I like the Beretta M-92, but suspect that the CZ may be more durable over the long haul.
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Kuglespritz
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I was just in Botswana 3 weeks ago and didn't see any CZ's.
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