Is the social media influencer opposition to manual safeties irresponsible?

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I personally believe that choosing a carry gun with or without a manual safety is entirely a personal choice and it's very important that we continue to have that choice. One's carry style, competency level, training frequency, and preexisting muscle memory must be taken into account.

The culture of advocating against manual safeties and scolding manufacturers who offer them needs to come to an end. Instead, it needs to be replaced with a culture of reinforcing repetitive dry-fire practice so as to develop muscle memory on whatever platform you choose, with or without a safety.

Considering the millions of first-time gun owners around the country who are conceal carrying for the first time, do you really think it's responsible for so many influencers to be vehemently advocating against carrying a firearm that has a manual safety?

Holster design, quality, and proper usage is a major factor as well, however how many people are carrying cheap or inadequate holsters though? How many just don't know better? There are far more YouTube videos where the influencer disparages the carry of a gun with a manual safety than there are talking about what goes into the design of a proper holster.

Just look at the plethora of holster options that do not offer a proper trigger guard, and/or are flimsy with poor retention. If some holster manufacturers don't know better, how can you expect the general public at large to know better?

The obvious argument against a manual safety is that in a high stress defensive situation, a person may forget to disengage the manual safety, especially if they're accustomed to a platform that does not include a manual safety, and most especially if they don't practice disengaging the safety.

Training and repetitive practice truly is the determining factor with regard to one's ability to properly operate a firearm in a high stress defensive situation, including the successful disengagement of the manual safety. Focus, discipline, practice, proper technique, and a proper holster set up are critical factors for everyday handling.

Humans are not machines and we are all prone to momentary lapses of focus or discipline, especially those who don't train and practice as much as others do. Regardless of training level, accidents and circumstances that are outside of our control can happen to anyone, especially when we're relaxed, distracted, preoccupied, or our guard is down.

I believe that the abundance of external and internal passive safeties on modern striker fired guns gives people a false sense of security. Those things do make accidents less likely, but definitely do not rule them out entirely. Obviously, the human is the most unreliable and inconsistent variable.

It's far too easy to look at another person's accident and dismiss it as negligence and improper handling, which nearly every time, it definitely is. The instances of manufacturer defect appear to be exceedingly rare, but do exist. With nearly all cases of accidental/negligent discharges, the human was the defect, and not the firearm. Holster defects and failures are another consideration. Regardless if a firearm is discharged inadvertently due to human or mechanical defect, the price of failure is the same, and it's excessively high.

I have never encountered a human who is infallible and I've never heard of a manufactured item which has a zero failure rate. Even a device as simple as a wheel can fail, especially if you involve a human user in the equation.

A manual safety, when engaged, offers a layer of protection against the human factor.

Before you argue that modern striker fired guns do not need a manual safety, I challenge you to search through social media, such as YouTube, and watch videos of negligent discharges and also read the different stories online.

For OWB carry, I'm far less concerned about a manual safety when a proper holster is used. However, for IWB in any position, I think there are many legitimate concerns, especially considering different body types and holster styles.

Personally, if a firearm is going inside of my pants, it must have a manual safety, and I don't care how uncool and unpopular it is. For that reason, I also will not purchase a concealable sized gun that does not have a manual safety.

What you put in your pants is your business. The ability to choose, and the freedom to do so is extremely important.

I like striker fired gun models that offer the choice of a manual safety. As a right-handed person, the one-sided and low-profile safety on the M&P Shield is my preference. A one-sided safety that presses against my body while holstered offers the unique advantage of not being able to be disengaged by external forces, such as bumping into something, or a dog jumping up to greet me with it's paws swiping along my waist line.

While I can operate my M&P Shield and its safety just fine with my left hand when necessary, imagine the shockwave S&W would cause in the market if they made a true left-hand version of the M&P Shield.

Choices are good. Dogma and group-think are bad.
 
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"The culture of advocating against manual safeties and scolding manufacturers who offer them needs to come to an end."

I think you may be overstating the disdain for safeties. People say they don't want them and won't use them, so they don't, end of story. I don't think most folks care what other folks do, or what manufacturers may offer to fill various niches. Sure you can find exceptions but it's not a toxic topic like religion, politics, or beans in chili.
 
Bwahahaha, "social media influencer…" and the 5,000 words after that was pure SCROLL TO THE END.

Apologies, that was rude, it's not my goal to be rude but… know your audience. This is the S&W Forum, it isn't Facebook or Tiktok.
 
If the OP is complaining that people keep harping on manual safeties, I tend to agree because I've heard it all before. Just like I've heard many handgun testers' preference for the 1911 trigger too many times when I'm not interested.;)
 
For those who think the post was too long, I could not care less about your opinion on that subject, and I am not seeking anyone's approval.

There is a reason why my point and the question, were spelled out within the first 5 sentences of the post. If you read the whole post against your will, that's your fault.

I strongly believe that a significant amount of people drastically under-think this topic and I also believe that there is an ample amount of people looking for as much information as they can get, which is why many are here, even if they only lurk.

This isn't Twitter... this old school vBulletin format is much more conducive to in-depth discussions than the majority of social media platforms. It does not matter to me if the audience here is more accustomed to short posts.

Keep in mind, the world does not revolve around you, the post was not written specifically for you, and no one is making you read the whole thing.
 
I'll bet every one of the blowhard "that safety will get you killed on the street" guys have a rifle and shotgun with a manual safety.

I'm not influenced by influencers so I don't care. I carry all kinds of handguns, some with safeties and some without.
 
The screeds against safeties are frequent and drone on forever.
Where? I'm not even saying this isn't true. I'm asking.

I spend a decent amount of time online and I'm trying to recall the last time I saw somebody actually decrying manual safeties.

I do see a lot of people saying they prefer not to have one and the reasons why, but at least on Youtube and the big sites, I don't see that many people trying really hard to talk somebody out of having one.
 
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I don't associate gun owners with social media "influencers".

If you're talking about the tattooed, bearded, Black Rifle Coffee swilling, name dropping gear heads that "run" guns, "review platforms" and love Gucci Glocks, I don't either. They're mostly shills that aren't at the heart of gun culture.

As far as manual safeties on carry guns, I don't like them, but that's for me to decide for me. YMMV.
 
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Don't like what they say, start your own youtube channel and spread YOUR gospel.
 
Before Glock came along, virtually every semi auto had a safety. Nobody cared. Millions of people carried them. They all survived. For the last 30 years, the mantra of "a safety will get you killed" has been repeated over and over. It's nonsense. Those who say a safety will get you killed are a joke. The vast majority of people carrying a weapon will never actually fire one in self defense. There is no evidence a safety has gotten any significant number of people killed or injured. For every one case someone can find(I'm aware of some jeweler and his son getting robbed where a safety prevented them from responding), I can find dozens where the safety prevented a death or injury.

And for the life of me, I never get the distinction between strikers not needing safeties and hammer fired guns needing them. If anything, strikers are more deserving of a safety. Light trigger without a hammer to thumb as you holster. I'll stick a hammer fired weapon without a safety in my waistband. I'd never do the same with a striker.
 
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Where? I'm not even saying this isn't true. I'm asking.

I spend a decent amount of time online and I'm trying to recall the last time I saw somebody actually decrying manual safeties.

I do see a lot of people saying they prefer not to have one and the reasons why, but at least on Youtube and the big sites, I don't see that many people trying really hard to talk somebody out of having one.

As an example, I'll just go ahead and call out one of the newest videos from TFB TV which is one of the largest gun review channels on YouTube. It's the one with Hop reviewing the Taurus G3X... in my opinion, he's putting far too much value in the inertial trigger saftey. That dingus in the trigger simply guards against a trigger pull caused by the inertia from the weight of the trigger itself if the gun is dropped. It can also provide some protection from a glancing blow against the trigger.

It's suppose it's easy to conflate opinion and personal preference with fact.

Inertial safeties, grip safties, and internal plunger safeties simply do not cover all edge case scenarios and definetely don't guard against the human factor in the way a manual safety can while engaged.

NEW Taurus G3X and G3XL: Nice, but where's the TORO? - YouTube

To highlight a positive in Hop's video, he did manage to find a way to have a dud primer and a hard primer while reviewing a gun with a double strike feature.

I'd argue that in a budget oriented gun such as a Taurus G series, the option of a manual saftey is especially important.... Only because the end user is less likely to train extensively with it and less likely to have a top tier holster, simply due to the cost.

I would suspect that when continuously reviewing different firearms and putting a volume of rounds through each, it's easy to lose perspective. That could be especially true when not accustomed to a manual safety and if the external controls of various guns don't always meet your personal ergonomic needs.
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Don't like what they say, start your own youtube channel and spread YOUR gospel.

Or I could just type out my perspective and make a post in a forum, which is a little easier.
 
It is reassuring to realize that the OP is NOT the only individual on this forum who "could not care less about" (someone else's ) opinion on ANY subject...

It is exactly how I feel about his... Hers? Its?

This forum may well not be Twitter, but it definitely has its share of twits! With the occasional helping of pompous bloviation to boot!

Cheers!

P.S. The "price" of an inadvertent discharge is 100% dependent upon the situation and may well be between -0- and the cost of a replacement round... It may even result in a valuable lesson?
 
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