IS THIS TRUE? "BUY A GUN, POST A PICTURE ON FACEBOOK, LOSE YOUR GUN RIGHTS"

[marathonrunner]

http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=9f3dc1cccf&e=97fd506ce1

According to AB1014, the link above says if you post a picture of your gun on facebook, the new law will allow any stranger to report you to the police if they think you are a danger and based on that alone, that gives police the right to seize your firearms. This article came from Cal FFL and I have no idea if this has any truth to it but I know there are a lot of knowledgable folks here.

Even if this becomes law, I don't see how this is constitutional. Anybody can make up stories and file a false police report.

 

[marathonrunner]

I think this law only applies to California but the article makes it seem like it is nation wide.

 

[Smitty357]

What is this FaceBook u speak of?

And for the record, I lost all my guns in a boating accident awhile back. Shucks to know all 70ish of those beloved 1911's are sitting at the bottom of a river.

 

[ChiefStealth]

Yes. California only. Seems to be two parts. The restraining order, and the warrant to seize. IMHO, this is an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of wackos. If that is how it gets used, then I approve. However, I think there is the possibility of misuse. If it passes... we'll see.

 

[gordon21]

After reading this post, I checked the net for some other info on AB1014. What I found scared me. From what I could see, a person could file a report on virtually anyone, whether they had any real and substantial proof. Gun hating judges would be sought out to rubber stamp requests.

This starts us down a very slippery slope. It seems as though this has been done before. Let's look back at Germany. I lifted the following quote from an online article. Notice the reference to "political opponents".

"This article addresses German firearms laws and Nazi policies and practices
to disarm German citizens, particularly political opponents and Jews. It begins with
an account of post-World War I chaos, which led to the enactment in 1928 by the
liberal Weimar republic of Germany’s first comprehensive gun control law. Next, the
Nazi seizure of power in 1933 was consolidated by massive searches and seizures of
firearms from political opponents, who were invariably described as “communists.”
After five years of repression and eradication of dissidents, Hitler signed a new gun
control law in 1938, which benefitted Nazi party members and entities, but denied
firearm ownership to enemies of the state. Later that year, in Kristallnacht (the Night
of the Broken Glass), in one fell swoop, the Nazi regime disarmed Germany’s Jews.
Without any ability to defend themselves, the Jewish population could easily be sent
to concentration camps for the Final Solution."

AB 1014 is not a direct shot to a Nazi Germany recreation, but neither was the Nazi rise the result of one action.

 

[Calaveras Slim]

Yes. California only. Seems to be two parts. The restraining order, and the warrant to seize. IMHO, this is an attempt to keep guns out of the hands of wackos. If that is how it gets used, then I approve. However, I think there is the possibility of misuse. If it passes... we'll see.

Let's change the name from facebook to the Smith & Wesson forum........


Whats the difference?

If they do one forum, why not do all?

 

[Steve in Vermont]

This will depend on how its written and enforced. People who own guns need to understand the climate we live in is changing and we need to be more discrete about our guns. This applies to people such as those who carried rifles into a restaurant to (make a point). If the law allows people to file complaints against gun owners because they feel threatened, who's to stop a patron of that restaurant from doing so. All they need do is state they felt threatened and the gun totters will find themselves in front of a judge who might not agree with their "freedom of expression".

 

[SmokewagonSD]

Holders proposal to require gun owners to wear "bracelets" and the Nazi requirement that Jews wear the Star of David. Impossible to ignore the parallels.

 

[hoc9sw]

Read the text of the current edition. It is chuck full of feel-good provisions, but ...

Anyone ever happen on the stupid u-tube videos when searching for a review? The ones where the boyfriend films the girlfriend getting knocked on her arse shooting a weapon she wasn't prepared for? He would qualify under the "reckless" provision as I read it.

This is not something to ignore. In the hands the the "right" judge, this could (and might) easily be misused.

 

[AZretired]

So, in the same line of thought, if I in appropriate pictures of my wife on Facebook the police will come get her?

We can joke about this all night but police, employers and background investigators use Facebook, Google etc. all the time. What you say on those boards under your real name is a permanent part of your history. At least when we use screen name it makes it a little harder to attribute our words to us, but not much.

Sad to say, but it's getting to the point where we really need to watch what we say.

 

[robertrwalsh]

First it is important to note that this is a legislative proposal and not a law. It is unlikely in the extreme to pass into law in its current form. If, however, that WERE to happen it would allow absolutely ANYBODY to make a declaration to a court that they believed you were a danger to yourself or others due to your possession of firearms. There is no criteria for making the assertion, and no legal penalty for making a false assertion. This claim could be made by your ex, your daughter's pissed-off boyfriend, the crazy neighbor down the street who hates gun owners, absolutely anybody. The cops could then seize your guns with no notice from wherever they might be and you would have to appear in court to get them back. Maybe. If they don't get lost, damaged or stolen while they are out of your control.

 

[brokenprism]

I thought it was common knowledge that Facebook was a Govt back door into your life? How many times have you read about the FBI 'finding' posts from guys who end up offending in some way? And it happens FAST. That app is a one-way window on your world, and all the acronym agencies are enjoying the show. And this show.

You could limit your posts to friends, and then limit your friends to FRIENDS, but they are not wrong who say we live in a hostile social climate, and we need to 'dress' accordingly.

God, there used to be State lines for this kind of thing. Don't want to live in CA? Move to MT where a little widn still blows free, but that distinction is fading fast as our lives become federalized.

 

[Thunderhawk88]

After reading this post, I checked the net for some other info on AB1014. What I found scared me. From what I could see, a person could file a report on virtually anyone, whether they had any real and substantial proof. Gun hating judges would be sought out to rubber stamp requests.

This starts us down a very slippery slope. It seems as though this has been done before. Let's look back at Germany. I lifted the following quote from an online article. Notice the reference to "political opponents".

"This article addresses German firearms laws and Nazi policies and practices
to disarm German citizens, particularly political opponents and Jews. It begins with
an account of post-World War I chaos, which led to the enactment in 1928 by the
liberal Weimar republic of Germany’s first comprehensive gun control law. Next, the
Nazi seizure of power in 1933 was consolidated by massive searches and seizures of
firearms from political opponents, who were invariably described as “communists.”
After five years of repression and eradication of dissidents, Hitler signed a new gun
control law in 1938, which benefitted Nazi party members and entities, but denied
firearm ownership to enemies of the state. Later that year, in Kristallnacht (the Night
of the Broken Glass), in one fell swoop, the Nazi regime disarmed Germany’s Jews.
Without any ability to defend themselves, the Jewish population could easily be sent
to concentration camps for the Final Solution."

AB 1014 is not a direct shot to a Nazi Germany recreation, but neither was the Nazi rise the result of one action.

What's even scarier is that Sen. Barbara Box-head is trying to propose this nation-wide!!

 

[cmort666]

This will depend on how its written and enforced. People who own guns need to understand the climate we live in is changing and we need to be more discrete about our guns. This applies to people such as those who carried rifles into a restaurant to (make a point). If the law allows people to file complaints against gun owners because they feel threatened, who's to stop a patron of that restaurant from doing so. All they need do is state they felt threatened and the gun totters will find themselves in front of a judge who might not agree with their "freedom of expression".

And then they'll file complaints against people for wearing NRA clothing.

Then they'll file complaints against people for NOT wearing VPC and Brady clothing.

I'm not ashamed to be a gun owner and make not the SLIGHTEST effort to hide it.

If somebody wants to go down that road, they'd better start off knowing we go locked together, and there's no stopping until we hit the cliff at the end.

Anybody who thinks they can't be hounded to their grave hasn't actually messed with me.

No bully ever stopped being a bully because he got what he wanted by BEING a bully.

Confront the bully or submit to him utterly. Those are the choices. The ONLY choices.

 

[Krell1]

What is this FaceBook u speak of?

And for the record, I lost all my guns in a boating accident awhile back. Shucks to know all 70ish of those beloved 1911's are sitting at the bottom of a river.

Ditto here. In my case the boat went down as well. If I remember right, it was on a lake.......somewhere.......I think I may have been drunk......can't remember.

 

[ChiefStealth]

Part of the proposed law:

"A firearms seizure warrant may not be issued but upon
probable cause, supported by an affidavit, naming or describing
with reasonable specificity the facts and circumstances justifying
the order and listing any firearm or firearms to be seized pursuant
to the order."

 

[Damn Yankee]

And don't forget you people that have three guns and maybe two and a half boxes of bullets with six of them "Cop Killer" hollow points will be charged with having a Arsenal in your home and labeled a Terrorist.

 

[walkin' trails]

All 1A and 2A arguments aside, CA DOJ will be swamped if this passes. It's almost a requirement that a gangbanger or dope dealer post a pic if himself posing aggressively with already-banned firearms on FB.

 

[JJEH]

Wow, it's getting so ridiculous.

Perhaps they also will stop you from posting pictures of your vehicle(s) since we have a lot of accidents caused by drunken driving
( or boating ).