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I think running with the bull is a cutural thing but come on, these people stand in front of and taunt him.....notice how a couple guys keep a liplock on their ciggy as they get launched:eek: and then there is the guy with the umbrella wow.
 
i like to see the animals win...............humans are weak and worthless.
 
My brother spent several years in Spain. He said that the annual running with the bulls in Pamplona was a big tourist draw, and a high proportion of those hurt were drunk foreigners.

In the video, the guy at approximate timestamp 2:35 was carved a new rectal orifice.
 
The video tells me this was a controlled event. Notice the rope that is always attached to the bull. In a few scenes, the bull is being pulled back by the rope. For some reason, the bull appears to have a grudge against people.

I have a friend that went to Spain and ran with the bulls. He now has a nice framed red sash and a photo of him during the run framed and hanging on the wall in his office. Those bulls are not tied.
 
HAW!! Thanks for the link. Darwin candidates indeed! I wonder
if that rope REALLY bugs the bull; almost seems like they're more
intent on mayhem than the in the footage we usually see. TACC1
 
Hemingway was there for it long long ago if memory serves. It's a manliness thing. Not much dumber than most manliness things in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Until just 4 years ago, they used to "run the bulls" here in San Miguel every year, on the 3rd weekend in September. Between 1992 and 2000, I went in 5 times from beginning to end, and in 2001 I left a roof-top party of jeering cowards who thought calling down insults to the people below in the street made them somehow braver or better people to be around (although they MAY have been questionably more intelligent) and joined the throng down below.


A rooftop photo of the last "running of the bulls" 4 years ago. I did not generally care to go to the roof top parties, full of opinionated people who had never "been there and done that" but they definitely were safer places to hang out than down below.
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In San Miguel, it wasn't like Pamplona where the bulls run down a marked route to the bullring. In SMAGTO, they just let them loose to run around the City Square for an hour of mayhem. Once the bulls get tired out, it is definitely safer out there. The first 10 minutes are quite dangerous. A lot of people get hurt, and there's nowhere to really run to. Also, you can get trapped in the throng.

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I suppose the BEST reason for the question of "why would you do that?" is that it's a GREAT way to meet girls. I got married in 2008, and they stopped running the bulls here in 2007. Not that there's any interconnection, but the parties during and afterward were pretty spectacular. And if some young darling had caught your eye from a balcony during the action...well...you were already to first base, weren't you?

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I broke two ribs in 1995 when some terrified guy tried to hide behind me as a bull charged in. I pulled free at the last moment but the bull's shoulder caught me in the side. One of the horns speared the guy behind me through the belly. I was knocked down and the guy who had been horned was tossed aside several feet away when the bull just shrugged him off with a move of his head. The bull for some reason turned and tried to gore me on the ground. As I was kicking him in the face with my feet, a real young guy in a Red Cross hat appeared kneeling above me and shouted;
"Estas bien?" (Are you alright?)
I yelled at him in English that I was fine, but sort of busy at the moment, as I kicked at the bull. Buddy and one of his friends unloaded a collapsable stretcher and put the belly-wound aboard and ran off towards the street barricades around which are parked every ambulance in the area.

The bull meanwhile got tired of being kicked in the face and moved off. I never saw the young Red Cross volunteer again, and probably would not have recognized him if I did. The belly-wound was probably one of the dozen or so who got flown out each year on air-ambulances with the more serious wounds. Although a couple hundred people a year might get scraped up or bashed around or trampled (by bulls or crowds) only a couple of dozen are really serious. As far as I know, only two people died in the 27 years or so they ran the bulls here.

Myself, standing there in 1995, I thought I had just had the wind knocked out of me but over the next 24 hours the pain in my side did not go away and I was beside myself. A trip to the doctor showed two ribs not hanging they way they should have been. That was a painful experience, but quickly enough cured.

Here in Mexico there is always someone at every traffic intersection with their hand out wanting money for something. Usually it just irritates me, but if it's young kids collecting for the Red Cross, I usually cough up some coins. That kid who appeared out of no where was not being paid to be there and was a real charger. He impressed me.
 
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My son works in Afghanistan and takes european vacations a lot. He needs action from life on base where occasional missle attacks are the only thing that changes the monotiny. He wants me to meet him in Spain to do this sometime. He's 28 and wants the adventure of it and putting another "notch on his gun", so to speak. I kind of got past that years ago and like the idea of hanging out in Spain eating great food, maybe meeting unknown relatives and looking at the sights and stuff. But I'd probably do it if i was there with him. I know it's nuts but there's just something very romantic about hanging out where Hemingway was and having a mad bull rip all your clothes off before throwing you into the crowd like a rag doll.
 
Im not a peta member...i think animals are here for us to eat,help us work ect......... BUT IT IS WRONG TO ABUSE AND MISSTREAT....those people got what was comming to them!
 
Im not a peta member...i think animals are here for us to eat,help us work ect......... BUT IT IS WRONG TO ABUSE AND MISSTREAT....those people got what was comming to them!

The bulls were turned loose to roam the streets. Where is the mistreatment in that?
 
I do not know for sure if I am FOR or AGAINST the Running of the Bulls, and Bullfights in general. I agree it is cruel. I also agree that the bull is going to lose, even if it temporarily might dominate any one single human opponent or even several, the bull will die. On the other hand, the constant attempts to "sissify" society is rather a disturbing trend in itself.

A REAL bullfighting bull has never seen a human being on foot, only on horseback. So when you are suddenly faced with a real one, just immediately released from his dark box of a cage into the bright sunlight with you and several thousand idiots undulating nervously in front of him -- trying to guess it's next move -- life becomes uncertain. The bull will sometimes charge headlong into the crowd bouncing people aside or tossing them asunder or launching them skywards like bowling pins making one happy that one was not standing "just over there" with those people. Since up to a dozen are released at one time, the plaza becomes a dangerous place to be, and one does not have much time to feel sorry for the less fortunate in the moment.

Ten or fifteen minutes later, as the bulls tire out, there is time for cruelty. I have seen a bull that was killed -- I do not know how for certain because I came upon it already down, but I assume by a large knife or machete -- surrounded by a crowd of teen-to-mid-20-somethings poking at it's still twitching carcass with pocket knives or anything they might have had handy. This not near the beginning, when the bulls are fresh and angry (or scared) but nearer the end when they are winded and tired and confused by the mob.

I've also seen almost every local businessman who was able to participate and some who were obviously past their time in that plaza taking part -- especially in the early '90's before it became "cultish" to say you had done it.

There has been pressure since I came here over 20 years ago to stop the Running of the Bulls. My old friend Phil Roettinger's daughter Susan was maybe the number one proponent of stopping it. She did tons of volunteer work for the Red Cross, and had a point that the COST in injury and cruelty was something a "civilized" town should not shoulder. Perhaps. But Susan was also not Mexican. "If the Mexicans themselves want to stop it, that should be their choice, shouldn't it?" I would counter, and she would look at me like I was a total idiot. But Susan and I got along well, all the same.

When San Miguel was declared a "Heritage City" about 4 years ago by the U.N. (yes, THAT U.N.) one of the stipulations was that they STOP the running of the bulls in the "Historic Center". So, it stopped. However, there is no denying that the event brought in a LOT of tourist dollars. Bars and Hotels were full, and Ice Cream Stores (like mine) didn't suffer either as long as the boss didn't get hurt out there.

Two years ago there was a big meeting to have the event again starting just outside the "Historic Center" and in fact starting just in front of my Ice Cream Store which is 3 blocks from the "Historic Center" and just outside the line drawn by the U.N. as the "Heritage" part of the City. The town had a big meeting wherein most participants stated they WANTED the event back, although several City Hall types and the "Ecology" department and the "Historic Heritage" department were dead-set against it. Being the owner of a store immediately in front of the proposed starting route (which would end up in the Hotel Real de Minas Bullring, something like the Pamplona run ends in a Bullring), I was asked my opinion. I stood up and stated that I was for the idea, IF proper security for spectators and non-participants and store-fronts could be insured as it had been in the past with the construction of proper barricades to keep the action contained.

"As a foreigner" snorted one of the City Hall types, "I question your qualifications to opine." I noticed he was a young-un, and smiled at him.

"I've run with the Bulls 5 or 6 times," I replied, "many times amongst my friends and neighbours here who have seen me do it. I do not recall seeing YOU in there ever. Perhaps it is you that is unqualified to opine?" Scattered applause around me indicated a more-or-less direct hit on the enemy position. In the end, a pretty much unanimous vote was obtained to return to hosting "The Running of the Bulls" here in SMAGTO.

However, both last year, and this year as well (just last month it was announced) the City Fathers have decided that it is in the best interests of the community to forego the event. Reasons stated: we don't want to antagonize the U.N. .

I personally do not give a fig about the U.N., and I don't think they should have a say. However, I think the Mexicans should have a say in what they do in their own country and their own communities. In my personal opinion, there is probably at least a 50/50 chance that we WILL return to hosting the event, but not until a new City Administration arrives in late 2012, making the earliest you could see it here to be September, 2013.

If it does return as an event hosted here, that will be fine with me. If not, well, if that is what the Mexicans want to do, that's fine as well. However, every vote so far indicates that they seem to want it back. Should they host it, and any of you come down to see it, please get in touch with me. Rooftop balconies and windows are sold to the tourists at outlandish prices while the locals just use them for free. You can sit on top of my Ice Cream Store (with me, probably) and watch the spectacle from above and bemoan the S&W's we don't own but would like to while we watch it.

On the other hand, almost every year after I broke my ribs that I went in, I was SURE until the last moment that I wasn't going to do it anymore. But when your friends and fellow businessmen come by -- already with courage laced by tequila and wearing their white shirts and the red bandanas they had bought from the scarf girls (or more correctly been GIVEN by some female admirer from the crowd, the traditional way to earn one)...well, off you go again I guess.

Photo; Young Mexican friends of mine and I photographed in 1998 in the foyer of the Hotel San Fransisco just off the City Square about an hour before the start of the mayhem. I always tended to wear black shirts instead of white, just to muck up the mix. The red scarves the runners wear are already in place...rather proudly I'd say. Alcohol is "VERBOTTEN" and widely available served in red plastic cups almost everywhere. Liquid courage, but best avoided because once the event starts there is no where to go to the bathroom out there and you might see things that really make you want to.
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Watching people do dumb things is just great fun! Keep it up, stupid people. We all need the entertainment these days ! ( I mean in addition to Washington.)
 

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