Isandhlwana; Facts About the Battle

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I saw a very interesting video on YouTube that was, I think, a BBC presentation. It discussed the tragedy of the Zulu attack on the British troops camped by the mountain Isandlwana in Jan., 1879. You can see this mountain in the movie, "Zulu", about the subsequent attack on the small force defending the mission station at Rorke's Drift, a battle for which 11 Victoria Crosses were awarded for outstanding gallantry!

It has been widely reported that the Zulus won largely because the British troops couldn't access ammunition packed in wooden boxes secured by metal bands. Those with tools to unlock the boxes were soon killed and the men had to fight with what ammo they had on them and with their bayonets.

This is partly true, but the show demonstrated how the butts of the Martini-Henry .450 rifles could be used to strike a downward blow at a crucial point, to break off the fronts of those boxes. The men were vets of earlier campaigns and would know this. Bodies were found with many empty ctg. cases by them and opened boxes. These soldiers had ammo; certainly many did.

The real culprits seem to have been an overcast day with an eclipse, which meant that they were fighting in darkness, and the smoke from the black powder made it additionally difficult to see their sights.

The Zulu had infiltrated up some small arroyos/nullahs and were largely unseen until they were in attacking distance. Remember, their warriors could run for 50 miles a day and still fight!

Until I saw this program, I hadn't known about the solar eclipse and the other issues.

As with Custer's troops at the Little Big Horn, early brass or copper ctg. cases were difficult to extract when the rifles got dirty from firing. The Martini was a better rifle than the US Springfield .45-70, but frequent firing of black powder and weak ctg. cases could gum up extraction.

Now, you understand better how the Zulus could slaughter a force of about 1300 men, but couldn't defeat the far smaller force at Rorke's Drift, where they had the fort as shelter and innovative tactics by the officers and ample ammo and better light.

I was impressed.
 
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there are many of us that feel that the good guys won at that battle, shame they didn't win at Rorke's Drift too. Such love for their land that the Zulus displayed by attacking into massed rifle fire armed with only spears, to repel the invaders.......... that was the true feats of bravery.........
 
there are many of us that feel that the good guys won at that battle, shame they didn't win at Rorke's Drift too. Such love for their land that the Zulus displayed by attacking into massed rifle fire armed with only spears, to repel the invaders.......... that was the true feats of bravery.........

You make a very good point.

Still, I believe British colonialism was beneficial to the world as a whole. Pax Britannica, and all that.
 
there are many of us that feel that the good guys won at that battle, shame they didn't win at Rorke's Drift too. Such love for their land that the Zulus displayed by attacking into massed rifle fire armed with only spears, to repel the invaders.......... that was the true feats of bravery.........

It is quite possible that you and I have different cultural and racial backgrounds. I am of British ancestry and may see matters differently than some here.

But I did write a paper on the Zulu in Anthropology class in college and may know that tribe a little better than you do.

Their "courage" was at least partially the result of knowing what their chief would do if they didn't follow orders blindly. He once marched a regiment (impi) of them over a cliff, just to impress a visitor with how powerful his authority was.


From founder Shaka-on, Zulu kings were ruthless conquerors of neighboring tribes and were not pleasant neighbors. They slaughtered a group of peaceful Boers lured into their main village and attacked the trek wagons of the survivors at Blood River on Dec. 16, 1838, the Day of the Covenant. The Boers/Afrikaaners prayed and promised God that they would build a church there if he allowed them victory. This was known as the Church of the Covenant. I don't know if it's still there.

Remember, these largely-Dutch descended people were using muzzle loading rifles.

This subject breaks down along largely demographic lines and how one sees matters now will vary with the reader. I think it's apparent where my sympathies lie. If some differ, so be it.

But you are overlooking something if you disparage that valiant defense at Rorke's drift against overwhelming hordes of Zulu. The Victoria Cross is not awarded lightly. It is the UK equivalent of our Medal of Honor. If 11 of them were awarded for that battle, it was obviously more than mere savages being slaughtered by massed rifle fire!

A better case can be made against the British in the Anglo-Boer wars. I do have some sympathy for the Boer cause.

BTW, "Boer" just means, "Farmer." It is largely inaccurate now as most Afrikaaners have the usual range of modern jobs.
 
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remember, it wasn't that long before those two battles, that we only got our independence & hung on to our freedom by the blood of brave Frenchmen who helped us to be free remain free again in the war of 1812.. we too were only the pogs & fuzzie wuzzie colonists to the brits.....Our land & natural resources existed solely to be looted & given to British industries until we gained our freedom............in India as late as the 1940's, men were still imprisioned for gathering salt & spinning thread & weaving crude cloth......... all of which were illegal under brit rule..... you know what happened to their wives & kids when they were imprisioned? the brits did & had done it for hundreds of years........Thank God for Ghandi.
 
Isandlwana was very badly commanded by Lord Chelmsford. The two major errors he made:
  • He split his force sending Colonel Pulleine to Isandlwana with his troops, before knowing the disposition and strength of Cetshwayo's Impi.
  • Lord Chelmsford had Gatling guns, but refused to deploy them (same mistake as George Custer about three years earlier).
  • Badly misunderstood the mood and fighting ability of the Zulu.
Although the British should have realized that Napoleonic linear formations would not work against the Impi, they still deployed troops in line of battle, and Pulleine's tactics prevented support on the interior lines.

There are a couple of movies about the battle, and the subsequent action at Rourke's Drift. Zulu (1964), and "Zulu Dawn" (1979). Of the two, Zulu is probably the best. Neither one are completely factual, but you'll get the idea of the arrogance of British command and control.
 
History

why are people always trying to retro history. If you go back far
enough every civilization was dominated by another. Romans in
Briton, Norse in Europe , Moors in Spain . Get over it, it's history.
The survival of the fittest. History repeats, read some books and
learn something that doesn't come from a movie.
 
why are people always trying to retro history. If you go back far
enough every civilization was dominated by another. Romans in
Briton, Norse in Europe , Moors in Spain . Get over it, it's history.
The survival of the fittest. History repeats, read some books and
learn something that doesn't come from a movie.

Going back even further, the theory is that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens had a common ancestor, but Homo Sapiens, being more intelligent and versatile, eventually prevailed over Neanderthals until the latter became extinct. Too bad no one was there to write the full story.
 
The Zulus had, if I recall, a 12 to 1 numerical advantage. Against single shot rifles prone to jamming...that will do the job.

Ghandi was not who most think he was. Subhas Chandra Bose was arguably doing more. He even rised an army of national liberation...backed by the Japanese and Nazis...

Millions and millions of Indians died in religious wars after Britain left. Ghandi approved of the violence against Muslims. He was also just one weird little man with some strange ideas. Much of India is still squalid and unsafe.
 
I'm about 200 pages into re-reading The Washing of the Spears. I was excited to see this thread but it has already been corrupted.
 
Going back even further, the theory is that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens had a common ancestor, but Homo Sapiens, being more intelligent and versatile, eventually prevailed over Neanderthals until the latter became extinct. Too bad no one was there to write the full story.

Not exactly. DNA 'writes the full story'. It seems to show that homo sapiens and homo neanderthalis interbred and actually merged. There were a lot more homo sapiens than neanderthals so we all have between 1.5% and 2.5% of neanderthal genes in our genome. And DNA evidence from neanderthal burials show that they all had blue eyes. Incidently, I have blue eyes.
 
Colin-

I have blue eyes too, thank goodness. I prefer blue eyes. Everyone in my marital family had blue eyes: me, the wife, the two children, and the Siamese cat. :) But we shouldn't jump to conclusions on the sample burials. More research is needed, covering a wider range of Neanderthals.

One reason why some feel that Homo sapiens was superior is that our palates are designed to allow making more sounds that could evolve as wider vocabularies. I think that's valid, and a mark against Neanderthals.

But I also think they disappeared in part because they were adapted to a very cold environment, and the climate changed. They may have just evolved beyond those earlier characteristics.

This was started as a thread to explain some mysteries about a particular historical battle. Some posts are far beyond that and are just going to lead to trouble.

I do suggest reading the book that one poster mentioned, "The Washing of the Spears." It is an excellent work on the Zulu tribe. If memory serves, the author was Donald R. Morris. It's been decades since I read it.

Moderators: Please lock this thread. It's gone too far off topic. Only one or two members made valid posts.
 
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Funny isn't it. Start a post about Pommies getting their helmets handed to them and if we all don't say HUZzAH! The OP wants it locked.:D:D
The U.S. is made up of many cultures and even a few natives. Never be surprised at the Indian, the Irish, the Dutch, the Devil or the Dog.
Tea anyone?
 
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Just like in respect to the Little Big Horn, I would mistrust anyone who claims he knows why the battle turned out the way it did.

Both in case of the Little Bighorn and Isandhlwana, which interestingly happened just a few years apart, the fact that the losing side was completely wiped out (in Custer's case at least that part of the command on Last Stand Hill), and the winning side was not a "literate" culture in the Western sense, makes reconstructing both the sequence of events and any cause-and-effect conclusions quite tricky.

In both battles actual "schools of thought" developed over the last century as to what "went wrong", and competed with each other. In case of Isandhlewana, arguments have been made about the lack of alertness, deployment of troops, lack of scouting, the type of ammo, the ammo boxes and their closures, quartermaster rigidity in resupplying troops with ammo, etc.

None of them is probably wrong in the aspects they focused on, but I think it's impossible to prove that "this was THE reason".
 

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