Ivory Ban in the United States - It's Really Here.

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It doesn't strike you as odd that no other outfits currently openly selling ivory are adding a $1500 surcharge to their products the way Julia is?

I can list dozens more, if you'd like. Where are the Feds rounding up all these supposed law-breakers?

 

[-db-]

Curl, look, I understand guys bidding on a $50K rifle or whatnot likely aren't going to balk at a relatively small additional cost to get a piece complete and as presented, but it's the principle of the thing. Julia is basically presenting an arm and telling bidders "We're going to yank off any ivory sights, inlays, grips, etc., potentially damaging and/or greatly reducing the value of the piece, unless you give our buddy John over here an additional $1.5K for a letter he'll write stating you're allowed to have the ivory".

It just sounds rotten.

 

[A10]

People would just as soon see these incredible works of art destroyed in order to satisfy their own sense of right and wrong. It saddens me that our world has come to this. It's what happens when zealots are in charge.

For those citing folks who are not complying with the ridiculous EO, it is at their risk. I personally would not comply either.

 

[reddogge]

When I built this rifle for my son 34 years ago who would have thought the hunter's star I made out of an old ivory piano key would be now illegal?

 

[jag312]

This $1500 letter sounds (smells) like Bovine Manure to me. How does this guy determine when the ivory was imported in the US? What tests and what criteria does he use in making his determinations?

 

[feralmerril]

Arent you glad you use dial soap? Dont you wish everyone would?

 

[williamlayton]

I guess mine will have to remain mine. So sad for me !
Blessings

 

[imashooter2]

With 238 agents (likely fewer now), I don't think FWS will be real active in this arena. Especially with cutbacks. This won't be a high priority and,anyway, Admin actions may take years to implement.

As with all laws / regulations of this sort, it isn't the odds, it's the stakes.

If caught, the government will ruin you for no other reason than that they can.

 

[BearBio]

As with all laws / regulations of this sort, it isn't the odds, it's the stakes.

If caught, the government will ruin you for no other reason than that they can.

I know of many cases where, the Service has declined to enforce on poachers (Lacey Act) and ESA violations or the DOJ has declined to prosecute on clear cut violations.

 

[Art Doc]

If implemented and aggressively enforced, think of all the items affected. Art, musical instruments, clothing, jewelry, guns, knives, walking sticks, etc., etc. There will be a lot of wealthy, politically connected people affected by this and they will raise hell.

 

[imashooter2]

I know of many cases where, the Service has declined to enforce on poachers (Lacey Act) and ESA violations or the DOJ has declined to prosecute on clear cut violations.

Every man makes his own life choices. I sincerely hope that yours work well for you.

 

[finesse_r]

It is a shame he did not ban foreign steel and all foreign manufactured products instead of ivory. Then we might get some manufacturing industry back in this nation.

 

[keith44spl]

This $1500 letter sounds (smells) like Bovine Manure to me. How does this guy determine when the ivory was imported in the US? What tests and what criteria does he use in making his determinations?

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly, what is this guy' credentials?

Dating the approximate age of the specimen does not
determine the time-line of export/import.....

The burden of proof....As to wither or not a item was imported after an arbitrary date,
would fall upon the accuser, would it not.


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[handejector]

Once again, the topic is Ivory Regulation, and that is the ONLY topic.
We WON'T be sliding into general political commentary.

Same as yesterday, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before and the day before, and the day before, and the day before,, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day bef and the day before, and the day before, and the day before, and the day before..............

 

[ladder13]

I'm selling letters for $500.

 

[Onomea]

Some useful info in an earlier thread on this topic: http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/396408-ivory.html

 

[Rick Bowles]

Gentlemen,

Remember, it's easy to write an executive order. It's quite another thing to pay for it's implementation.

Is the executive order in effect? Perhaps but there are two bills, with heavy bi-partisan support, that are currently working their way through congress. Either bill would provide that no funding be allocated for any regulation that would render valueless the legally acquired possessions of citizens. There is also another public hearing on October 17 (see below).Contact your representatives NOW. It ain't over till it's over.


October Events Important for Ivory Ban

Efforts continue in October to oppose the ivory ban. The Advisory Council on Wildlife Trafficking has called another public meeting where we can continue to voice objections, and the Elephant Protection Association is reaching out to new groups, businesses and ivory owners to get them engaged in the battle to protect elephants without hurting innocent Americans.

Advisory Council Public Meeting on October 17
in Washington, D.C.
Northeast Japanese Swords & Cultural Arts Show

The Advisory Council for Wildlife Trafficking has announced another public hearing for Friday, October 17 in Washington, D.C. The meeting notice says the Council intends to "devote a significant portion of the meeting" on species besides elephants and rhinos. The notice did not say it is restricting comments about ivory. If you would like to attend the meeting in person to make a comment, you must notify the Council in writing by October 3. You can reserve a seat and an opportunity to speak through our website by clicking here:

Make Reservation

If you want to submit written comments to the Council, you need to submit them electronically through the Federal eRulemaking Portal at Regulations.gov by 11:59 PM Eastern on October 10, 2014. Go to Regulations.gov, then search FWS-HQ-IA-2014-0019 in the Search box, then click "Comment Now." Faxes and e-mails will not be accepted. To submit comments by mail, see Click Here for instructions.
The Elephant Protection Association will be at the Northeast Japanese Swords & Cultural Arts Show in Philadelphia from October 17-19. The show melds ancient Samurai swords with more modern Japanese cultural arts.

We will have a table for the show and will make a presentation on Friday at 6 PM entitled "Elephants, Legal Ivory, and Japanese Art: Proposed Ivory Ban Crushes Them All." Show admission is $20 each day per person, $45 for all 3 days.

We are encouraging anyone with an interest in ivory that can make it to the show to attend. To make it easier for you, the show organizers are providing discount coupons for our members and affiliates.Click Here for your $5 Discount Coupon

 

[jag312]

I just remembered that earlier this year when I was shopping for boots, there was a pair of boots made of elephant hide. Now I'm the first to admit that I'm not a wildlife biologist, but correct me me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ivory and elephant hide come from the same source? Now if ivory is illegal to own, shouldn't elephant hide boots also be illegal to own? Will elephant hides be legal to be imported and made into products but not ivory?

I'm not too smart, so I don't always understand all this regulation stuff that comes out of Washington.

 

[bushmaster1313]

I bought a stock for an Ithaca 37 on the Internet a few years ago with what I thought was a plastic grip cap that I would need to replace.

Turns out the grip cap was ivory. I sanded it and stained it with tea:

I wonder if the new ban applies to me if I take my Ithaca across state lines to shoot in Pennsylvania?

Anyone have the new regulations?

 

[bushmaster1313]

That looks like it was engraved by Rudolph Kornbrath

Here are some photos of a Suhl 9.3x74R double rifle I owned some years back (these photos are from Champlin's website some years after I parted with this rifle):

That beautiful work of art is now virtually unsellable.

Curl