JELLY'S CRUMP HOLSTER?

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I saw this old Crump holster on ebay, made a lowball offer, and got it. Why would I want it? First, I noticed the tab covering the trigger guard, that the seller called a "dog ear".

I remembered a previous thread where Pighunter quoted Jim Higinbotham referring to a Jelly Bryce holster as "a Threepersons variation with a covered trigger." I kinda poo-pood that idea at the time, not believing that Jelly would cover the trigger guard.

So I checked up on Jim Higinbotham a bit and found that he has passed on to the hereafter, but he was quite a credible guy. He was also a big advocate for the covered trigger.

This subject holster is marked O.P.4 which I take to mean made
for Colt's Official Police with 4" barrel. That revolver had been around for a while, but Colt started calling it the OP in 1927. It was one of the FBI's issue revolvers from the mid 1930s up into the 1950s.

The holster is also stamped Q 37. Could that mean Quantico
1937? Could this be the covered trigger Jim Higginbotham said Jelly designed?

In LEGENDARY LAWMAN Ron Owens says that Jelly created the first FBI firearms training program, and he designed their concealed holster. On page 100-101 he says Jelly was called back to Washington periodically.....to train new agents and give demonstrations There is a photo showing him training at Quantico in 1937 on page 99.

I am aware of the letter, posted by turnerriver, dated 3 March 1951, from General Van Orden of Evaluators to Heiser, regarding convincing FBI to switch from Crump to Heiser as their holster supplier. In one part of the letter he said: "None of the Crump holsters have been delivered yet." I believe he must have been referring to a particular batch or model of holsters because Crump had been supplying FBI holsters for years previous to that date. turnerriver has told us the Heiser 457 was in their 1938 catalog, and Red Nichols told us the 459 was in the 1951 (or 1950) catalog. Both have been mentioned as FBI issue holsters. During the 1930s, 1940s, and into the 1950s, Heiser, Evaluators, and Crump were all competing for more FBI business. I realize that
my evidence is totally circumstantial, but men have been hanged with less evidence. What do you think?

I don't believe Bucheimer got into the act until the 1960s with
Hank Sloan's design.

Photos below, left to right, Crump front, Crump back, Heiser 457, Heiser 459, and Bucheimer's Hank Sloan.
 

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FOLLOW UP: Initially posted on 2/2/18.
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What does this mean? Is crazyphil really crazy? Is he obsessed with minutia? I know there are a few on here that are as obsessed, and as
crazy, as I am. Just wondering why no replies?
 
Yours IS a Crump holster, but it is not THE Crump holster:

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The several pics we have of Jelly's holster, suggest that it was always a Myres and a 614; including testimony from Bill Myres; as was Jerry Campbell's. "In November 1934 the FBI hired three Oklahoma City Detectives, all of whom were on the pistol team: Jerry Campbell, Night Chief Clarence Hurt, and the city's youngest detective, Jelly Bryce." This last is a quote from an article on officer.com; I haven't researched it further and should because the article itself jumps to some pretty big (in my view incorrect) conclusions based on contemporaneous newspaper articles. But this portion seems innocuous enough to be plausible.

To date I've not seen any FBI pics that show covered guards. Can't imagine the trigger-happy Jelly (sorry, guys, records show he was killing even the good guys by mistake) covering his trigger. We do see folks, including eBay sellers, using 'trigger' when they mean 'hammer' and vice versa, with holsters.

Yours is an anomaly from a time when the 457 and 614 were the standards and defined The Tom Threepersons Style Holster, as Sam labelled it.
 
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I have nothing credible to add, but the thought strikes me how different were the approaches taken by men who were much faster than me.

Compare Bryce, McGivern, Fitz and Jordan's styles and I have to conclude it was as much, if not more, the man than the method - e.g. a covered trigger guard vs. a cutaway trigger guard.

I wore out a copy of "No Second Place Winner" and it served me well. Never tried to copy the others and having read Jordan, a lot of what Askins and Fitz advocated seemed awkward. I wonder how I would have done if I'd read the others first?
 
Yours IS a Crump holster, but it is not THE Crump holster:

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The several pics we have of Jelly's holster, suggest that it was always a Myres and a 614; including testimony from Bill Myres. Jelly was mates with Campbell who also has been photographed with his Myres; and a third chap whose name escapes me. All joined at the same time?

To date I've not seen any FBI pics that show covered guards. Can't imagine the trigger-happy Jelly (sorry, guys, records show he was killing even the good guys by mistake) covering his trigger.

Yours is an anomaly from a time when the 457 and 614 were the standards and defined The Tom Threepersons Style Holster, as Sam labelled it.

I agree that the Myres 614 was undoubtedly Jelly's primary
holster. Comments often make it sound as if it was his only
holster. I can't imagine that.

The point of my little "study" was to follow the comments from
a credible guy that Jelly had designed a holster with a covered
trigger guard. He was in charge of firearms training at the
academy for a while. Maybe agents couldn't keep their finger
off the trigger, and he designed the holster to help them.

The photo of the holster, and the Q 37 made me wonder.
There are photos of Jelly at Quantico in 1937.
 
A great piece of leather and workmanship. Appreciate your effort in documenting the history. Great post, thank you
 
I was just looking at holsters on EBay and saw one that caught my eye because I thought the name was "Crumb" like my favorite artist R. Crumb. But it was "Crump". Look up the name on EBay and there's a bunch, the first one just like Red Nichols showed in post #6 two years ago.
 
As promised, here is thread I mentioned about Jelly Bryce "inventing"
the covered trigger.

By the way Doc if your Jim Higgenbothem is one and the same
as the one I mentioned then my report of his death is greatly
exagerated.
 
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