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[Bald1]

There was a large tire manufacturer in the Buffalo area that closed up shop a few months ago. I believe the number was 1500 people laid off. The old Dunlop plant is huge. Well, surprise surprise. Canadian companies are now standing in line to move their production plants into it. When that nasty T word popped up they decided they'd just MAKE IT IN AMERICA. The director of Niagara Development says he has been fielding a dozen calls a week from Canadian based companies about industrial properties. Many people think America doesn't have the skilled labor to absorb these jobs. They are mistaken. The western NY area alone has lost a lot of manufacturing jobs. There are workers just looking for an opportunity. These are feel good stories that hit home for me. As a high school kid I watched my dad loose his job at Trico when they moved their production to Mexico. A direct result of NAFTA.

 

[326MOD10]

When it is leased and up and running let us know and what the jobs are paying an hour. Then maybe I would be optimistic.

Just out of curiosity why did the last plant close?

 

[Bald1]

They closed because overseas production cost were lower. Same old same old. Foreign countries still jobs and ship the products right back to us. I don't blame the consumers. Most have no idea what is happening.

 

[Rat458]

That would be a good thing for the locals.
I was raised in the Utica/Rome area in the 60and 70's.
Watched all the plants close down and left a lot of people with no good future.
Then all the farms disappeared.

 

[steelslaver]

Consumers are not the ones who decided to move the source of production off shore, Corporations did so to increase profits. Corporations don't actually pay any of the various import fees, they simply pass them on to the consumer. The CEOs don't suffer at all.

In this case the production facility and equipment is still in place and functional. Hardly the case in 99% of the cases where one time on shore production was send off shore. You can't simply fire bar up a steel mill that gas been shut down, cloth looms and paper mills that have bee motionless for years especially those where most of the components have been sold off or scrapped.

There are only about 6 million able bodied men in America, not working and not seeking work. Even if you somehow force them to work, just what kind of work skills or ethic do you think they are going to have?? Not much. Horrse to water and all that,

 

[ladder13]

There are plenty of trainable, if not already skilled, men and women out there ready and willing to earn a decent living.
Even hamburger flippers are ready to move up.

Tech schools are booming with students right now.

 

[GypsmJim]

There was a large tire manufacturer in the Buffalo area that closed up shop a few months ago. I believe the number was 1500 people laid off. The old Dunlop plant is huge. Well, surprise surprise. Canadian companies are now standing in line to move their production plants into it. When that nasty T word popped up they decided they'd just MAKE IT IN AMERICA. The director of Niagara Development says he has been fielding a dozen calls a week from Canadian based companies about industrial properties. Many people think America doesn't have the skilled labor to absorb these jobs. They are mistaken. The western NY area alone has lost a lot of manufacturing jobs. There are workers just looking for an opportunity. These are feel good stories that hit home for me. As a high school kid I watched my dad loose his job at Trico when they moved their production to Mexico. A direct result of NAFTA.

When Trico closed down I told my Dad and 2 Grandfathers to never buy another Trico blade again. None of us ever did.

My buddy's Father worked at the Steel plant. I believe at peak they had 16,000 workers. Same story - Japanese steel cut the price.

Across the street from Dunlop is a closed coal fired power plant. They had the opportunity to burn "clean" coal, but poor management decided not to.

I retired from a plant adjacent to Dunlop. We NEVER hired people off the street. Always used a temp agency and then hired the ones from that list that we found to be good. I understand that they are bringing in Dunlop people with no questions asked.

Down the road is GM's North American Engine Plant.

Bottom line is that skilled workers can expect to make 6 figures if they want to. Union jobs of course. Whomever takes over Dunlop will have to compete with those wages if they expect a stable workforce.

 

[steelslaver]

There are plenty of trainable, if not already skilled, men and women out there ready and willing to earn a decent living.
Even hamburger flippers are ready to move up.

Tech schools are booming with students right now.

Here is a heads up, there are currently 27.2 million workers between 55 and 64. Over 2/3 of those will leave the work force in 10 years. That means over 18 million fewer experienced workers

There are just 9 million between 16 and 24 who are not currently working. Plus, only the burger flippers than an manage to get my order right and make change and show up for every shift of a 40 hour week, and put their phoned down for more than 15 minutes out of every hour, are ready to "move up". Most of those that can do so already have.

 

[Bald1]

Jim, my dad lost his job at Bethlehem as well. So did my father in law. Dad was lucky enough to get a job at Trico and damned if it didn't happen again. Every time I'd go to a Bills game in the 80s&90s every person in the stands had a bright yellow BETHLEHEM STEEL rain coat. I used to think, no wonder they went out of business lol. Thanks for Boycotting Trico. I obviously did the same. I once got into an argument at the old Forest City auto part store in North Tonawanda about it. I told him what to do with his Trico blades.

 

[Bald1]

Here is a heads up, there are currently 27.2 million workers between 55 and 64. Over 2/3 of those will leave the work force in 10 years. That means over 18 million fewer experienced workers

There are just 9 million between 16 and 24 who are not currently working. Plus, only the burger flippers than an manage to get my order right and make change and show up for every shift of a 40 hour week, they are not ready to "move up". Most of those that can do so already have.

So what's the solution? Stop producing anything? Offshore everything? Or do we embrace a little "Rugged Individualism". Teach our boys to be tough. Teach them the value of work and the pride of having a skill. I don't like a defeated attitude. I look for answers.

 

[ladder13]

Here is a heads up, there are currently 27.2 million workers between 55 and 64. Over 2/3 of those will leave the work force in 10 years. That means over 18 million fewer experienced workers

There are just 9 million between 16 and 24 who are not currently working. Plus, only the burger flippers than an manage to get my order right and make change and show up for every shift of a 40 hour week, they are not ready to "move up". Most of those that can do so already have.

Don't know about your figures but if you say so. I am not ready to surrender America to anyone.

 

[LVSteve]

They closed because overseas production cost were lower. Same old same old. Foreign countries still jobs and ship the products right back to us. I don't blame the consumers. Most have no idea what is happening.

They know what is happening to their bank statements, and to most, that's all that counts.

 

[dockmurgw]

they are not ready to "move up".

They are ready, and they will...if they're not coddled. I remember a HS teacher from back in the day, he had a simple message that said it all. If I don't work, I don't eat, If I don't eat, I starve. It's a simple concept that's lost on many today.

 

[GypsmJim]

They are ready, and they will...if they're not coddled. I remember a HS teacher from back in the day, he had a simple message that said it all. If I don't work, I don't eat, If I don't eat, I starve. It's a simple concept that's lost on many today.

The local inner city school system is having a problem with absenteeism. The poor widdle chillin are too tired to get up that early. And if they do come to school they are too tired to listen to the teachers. The solution is to have later start times. The kids are revolting about that because now they won't be able to go play sports after school.

My comment was: What happens when they graduate and get a job? Will the boss them them eat Egg McMuffins until they are awake enough to start working?

My wife is a teacher in a local upscale school. Not inner city single mother parent types. Their performance ain't a whole lot better.

A previous post pointed out that a lot of oldsters will be retiring. Maybe AI will replace them, but for the jobs that require hands-on and 100% attendance, I am truly worried.

 

[taz666]

I watched as the State of Illinois building came out of the hole. The steel in that building went to Nippon ... not USSteel. A (R) Governor made that happen. One of the first examples I saw of taxpayers money used to put their neighbors out of work. It's been rolling that way ever since.

 

[steelslaver]

Don't know about your figures but if you say so. I am not ready to surrender America to anyone.

Me either. But, when you are a net consumer, instead of a net producer the wisdom of trade wars isn't there. First you fix YOUR OWN INTERNAL PRODUCTION PROBLEMS.

Just like the whole Fentanyl deal, they wouldn't be supplying if we weren't demanding. Most of the "Opioid Crisis" was brought to us by our own pharmaceutical companies, who received financial slaps on the wrist and zero jail time. While the Slacker family may not as rich they are still living fine with the 13 billion that remains after being "punished"

 

[ladder13]

Me either. But, when you are a net consumer, instead of a net producer the wisdom of trade wars isn't there. First you fix YOUR OWN INTERNAL PRODUCTION PROBLEMS.

Just like the whole Fentanyl deal, they wouldn't be supplying if we weren't demanding. Most of the "Opioid Crisis" was brought to us by our own pharmaceutical companies, who received financial slaps on the wrist and zero jail time. While the Slacker family may not as rich they are still living fine with the 13 billion that remains after being "punished"

No we in me

I don't use tobacco products legal or not, opioid's, or liquid drugs

 

[Doug M.]

We need to bring more production back into the US - it is a national security issue.

 

[BC38]

Here is a heads up, there are currently 27.2 million workers between 55 and 64. Over 2/3 of those will leave the work force in 10 years. That means over 18 million fewer experienced workers...

So they have 10 years to train the inexperienced to become experienced skilled workers.
What a lot of people ignore is the fact that there are millions who would take a good job if they could find one. The labor statistics don't count the people who are unemployed, have run out of unemployment benefits, and have given up looking for a decent job.
Not much incentive for those folks or the young to take a job as a burger flipper with little or no real future if they can survive just as easily on welfare.
We gotta' start somewhere because the current trajectory is NOT sustainable. We can't just keep doing what we've been doing and expect the results to be any bertter.

 

[Bald1]

^^^^^^^ what he said !