John kennedy assassination question

[Steve912]

The theory is also parsimonious - it does not require a complex series of plot twists to happen - just an accident and logical, bureaucratic/political motivated actions that follow.

It's contrived, awkward, and anything but parsimonious.

Worst of all, in place of simple explanations that cover the entire shooting
(bolstered by ballistic matching to Oswald's rifle, proof of his
purchase, etc, on and on and on), it substitutes an implausible
proposal that requires a spontaneous conspiracy of silence on
the part of dozens of members of the Secret Service (unless
someone proposes it was a planned assassination by the SS--yet
another conspiracy theory).

 

[BC38]

Three can keep a secret - if two of them are dead.
Benjamin Franklin

THIS quote explains why I don't believe in ANY of the conspiracy theories.
The truth ALWAYS comes out - sooner or later someone talks.
It is human nature.

 

[armorer951]

This is an example of another crime that came after the actual homicide of the President. The "investigation" itself.

Conspiracy? I love the fact that the chief autopsy pathologist Capt. James J. Humes, "burned" his original notes and drawings.....notes and drawings of the most important autopsy of the 20th century. The man identified as Lee H. Oswald received a more thorough and professional post mortem than JFK did.
This worthless autopsy exam by a team of inexperienced doctors, and other bungled key parts of the post shooting investigation, means we will never have the complete, and factual account of what actually happened.

 

[03hemi]

I truly believe that Ruby purposely silence Oswald to keep him from letting the real story out and although Oswald was somehow involved, he DEFINITELY had some help. We will NEVER know all the facts or the truth because I do not believe this was a one man job and was covered up.

Too many experts have tried the shots that Oswald "supposedly" fired (not under pressure like the real thing) and could not duplicate them even though they were using better Rifles and were under no pressure to really kill anyone.
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Oh puhlease!!!

All of those "experts" have an interest in perpetuating conspiracy theories.

The famous shots were not that difficult. The first hit was estimated to be at 53 meters, the second at 81. A teenager with his deer rifle could've done it.

The only shot interval that could be measured conclusively was between the two that connected. Based on the frame rate of the film that time span was found to be (drum roll!) roughly five seconds! It's estimated the time for all three could've been as much as eight seconds.

Seriously? What "expert" can't do that?

The FBI examined and test fired the Carcano and found it more than capable of making the shots. In fact, they found point of impact to be slightly towards 2:00, giving Oswald a near-perfect, built-in lead for the angle of the shots.

CBS News conducted a test in 1967 with the Carcano and 11 volunteers who had never handled it before. All 11 managed three shots in under six seconds. All scored at least one hit, most scored two, and at least one shooter had three hits.

Case closed.

Unless you choose to believe the FBI, DPD, USPS, Warren Commission, and CBS news were all in on the conspiracy and have kept it secret for 55 years.

Seeing how the our top government agencies are "in" on things now, I believe there was a conspiracy by our top officials to kill Kennedy. end of story.

 

[gman51]

If you look at each president killed you will see a common thread amongst all of them. They all went against the shadow government's desires and JFK especially was out to expose them.
One report said JFK first shot was from the front and some believe it was the limo driver that first shot JFK.

Like many have said, we will never know what really happened. Like O.J.'s attorney said.....put forth so much information that nobody could be without a shadow of doubt what happened to convict OJ.

 

[mtgianni]

This is an example of another crime that came after the actual homicide of the President. The "investigation" itself.

Conspiracy? I love the fact that the chief autopsy pathologist Capt. James J. Humes, "burned" his original notes and drawings.....notes and drawings of the most important autopsy of the 20th century. The man identified as Lee H. Oswald received a more thorough and professional post mortem than JFK did.
This worthless autopsy exam by a team of inexperienced doctors, and other bungled key parts of the post shooting investigation, means we will never have the complete, and factual account of what actually happened.

As a very young Reserve Deputy I was taught to destroy all notes once I was sure that all pertinent information was included in my reports. The reasoning was that they would be subpoenaed in court and any attorney could put a different spin on things than I had in my report. I could include information from memory that would not be in notes, etc.
Just my take on one reason why. It would be far to easy to draw other conclusions from notes.

 

[chief38]

I believe Oswald worked at the book depository about a month prior to the shooting. Jack Ruby was well known to the Dallas PD and moved in and out of the headquarters. I believe it was common knowledge as to what time Oswald was going to be moved.

I believe you are correct and THAT IS EXACTLY WHY they were BOTH used. This was not something planned the night before - it was very very well planned, orchestrated and carried out, all the way down to the falsified autopsy reports, the fact the LBJ sealed the files for 75 years and the fact that bullets can fly magically.

 

[husker51]

WHAT---happened to all that info on the assassination that was ""declassified"" and ""supposed"" to be released to the public a number of months ago?? At least one inquiring mind wants to know?

They took a black marker and blotted out the critical stuff!

 

[Steve912]

, the fact the LBJ sealed the files for 75 years and the fact that bullets can fly magically.

The "magic" bullet did nothing magical, except for people
with no experience with firearms.

 

[photoman]

The government explanation is two lone gunmen (Oswald and Ruby).

So...

1. We know this as a fact.
2. We know this is not a fact.
3. We don't know.

Option three is the only logical answer. If the answer is option one or option two, this thread would not exist.

 

[photoman]

He didn't get much time to enjoy being off the hook ...

High capacity, plastic wonder nine my arse... That snubby got the job done just fine. Doh!

 

[Dashriprock]

I don't know the answers to your questions but there is a book called "I Heard You Paint Houses" about Frank Sheeran and his life in the mob. He puts forth a very convincing story about JFK and Jimmy Hoffa. Frank talks about Jack Ruby and other characters involved.

Thanks for posting that. I got a copy and am about 90 pages in -- great read!

 

[loknload]

Yep,,,,Keeps on going!

 

[Absalom]

Yep,,,,Keeps on going!

It does. It will. And I think I've figured out why.

I think Americans are so much in love with conspiracies because we can't actually have any. We aren't capable of keeping our mouths shut.

And I mean at any level. Stalin knew about our A-bomb before Truman did. Look at the Mafia: In Sicily, "omerta", code of silence. In the US, mobsters sang like birds once arrested and then co-authored books. American "conspiracies" look like the Watergate break-in, basically an extended Monty Python skit gone out of control, and it all turned out to be ON TAPE!!!

The very idea that any of the things that JFK conspiracy theorists have imagined could have actually been planned, executed, and then kept a secret in the US is simply nuts. The military may be reasonably capable at keeping some operational details under wraps for a while, but "the government" (who is that supposed to be anyways? Ever read the Constitution?) covering up any combination of the stuff that JFK aficionados propose: CIA, FBI, the Secret Service, doctors, Cubans, the Mafia, and whoever else? Not a snowball's chance in heck.

 

[Watchdog]

William Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, believed JFK was killed because he was on the verge of revealing that extraterrestrials were taking over the earth. He said he had proof that William Greer, the driver of Kennedy's limo fired the fatal shot using a secret weapon furnished by aliens.

Was he crazy?

Not for me to say, but Cooper was shot to death in 2001 (deliberately silenced like Oswald?) in a gunfight with Apache County, Arizona deputies who were attempting to arrest him for tax evasion.

 

[Warren Sear]

William Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, believed JFK was killed because he was on the verge of revealing that extraterrestrials were taking over the earth. He said he had proof that William Greer, the driver of Kennedy's limo fired the fatal shot using a secret weapon furnished by aliens.

Was he crazy?

Not for me to say, but Cooper was shot to death in 2001 (deliberately silenced like Oswald?) in a gunfight with Apache County, Arizona deputies who were attempting to arrest him for tax evasion.

Not just crazy, but bat **** crazy.

I wonder why the JFK assassination draws so many kooks.

 

[BC38]

It does. It will. And I think I've figured out why.

I think Americans are so much in love with conspiracies because we can't actually have any. We aren't capable of keeping our mouths shut.

And I mean at any level. Stalin knew about our A-bomb before Truman did. Look at the Mafia: In Sicily, "omerta", code of silence. In the US, mobsters sang like birds once arrested and then co-authored books. American "conspiracies" look like the Watergate break-in, basically an extended Monty Python skit gone out of control, and it all turned out to be ON TAPE!!!

The very idea that any of the things that JFK conspiracy theorists have imagined could have actually been planned, executed, and then kept a secret in the US is simply nuts. The military may be reasonably capable at keeping some operational details under wraps for a while, but "the government" (who is that supposed to be anyways? Ever read the Constitution?) covering up any combination of the stuff that JFK aficionados propose: CIA, FBI, the Secret Service, doctors, Cubans, the Mafia, and whoever else? Not a snowball's chance in heck.

Exactly!
The most totalitarian regimes in the world can't even keep their misdeeds a secret - they are all eventually found out.
But the truth about this has been kept under wraps for over 50 years?
S-u-u-u-u-u-u-r-e it has...

And aliens? Holy COW, I won't even touch that one! Is it any surprise someone that far "out there" ended up in a fatal confrontation with the law?

 

[Watchdog]

I wonder why the JFK assassination draws so many kooks.

Jeez, I dunno. I reckon I must be one of those kooks you're talking about, though, because I don't believe Oswald acted alone in the killing of John Kennedy.

 

[photoman]

But the truth about this has been kept under wraps for over 50 years?
S-u-u-u-u-u-u-r-e it has...

Or has it? The best place to hide the truth is in plain sight. It is most likely, one of the "conspiracy" theories is the truth. But... we don't know which one.

Once one becomes familiar with the National Security Act of 1947 and the ensuing sixteen years of history regarding the various government agencies that were created as a result (combined with the political climate of the Ike and JFK administrations), it is almost impossible to believe that Oswald and Ruby were lone gunmen.

 

[Citiboy289]

OMG --- 50 years of this smoke and mirrors How about That Kennedy issued FEDREAL NOTES that in the end would have put the Federal Reserve to " Bed " Everything else is just a red herring upon the path ---- If Kennedys plan had worked The Federal Reserve would have been long past Forget Cuba , the Mafia ect This is why he was killed