John kennedy assassination question

[Wyatt Burp]

Ruby was nothing but a nut job and there's no way his murder of Oswald was planned.

Oswald's transfer had been delayed almost 90 minutes because a postal inspector had shown up to interview him.

At what had been the scheduled time of Oswald's transfer, Ruby was still at home. He left later to get a money order for one of his dancers at a post office just down the street from DPD. The money order was time-stamped four minutes before he shot Oswald.

Oswald & Ruby were a couple of lone nut jobs. Nothing to see here.

Right. And Ruby hung around the police station all the time and the cops knew him. He just went over to the garage as a spur of the moment thing. He also had two dogs he loved and one or both were in his car at the time. He wouldn't bring his dog to an assassination. He was an impulsive lone nut who shot another lone nut. And there was no "magic bullet". The true sitting positions of Kennedy and Connelly are ignored by the "magic bullet" fantasy makers. And Oswald had a real good shooting record in the military and the shots has been duplicated many times proving Oswald could do it. Read "Cased Closed" which pops all these conspiracy bubbles.

 

[Tom S.]

Right. And Ruby hung around the police station all the time and the cops knew him. He just went over to the garage as a spur of the moment thing. He also had two dogs he loved and one or both were in his car at the time. He wouldn't bring his dog to an assassination. He was an impulsive lone nut who shot another lone nut. And there was no "magic bullet". The true sitting positions of Kennedy and Connelly are ignored by the "magic bullet" fantasy makers. And Oswald had a real good shooting record in the military and the shots has been duplicated many times proving Oswald could do it. Read "Cased Closed" which pops all these conspiracy bubbles.

While I'm always on the hunt for reading material, 25% of the people who reviewed this book on Amazon gave it a one star rating and only 53% rated it 5 stars. That's not a good rating by anyone's measure, so I'll pass.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Strange, just strange.
An American who defects to the USSR and re-defects back to the USA just happens to get a job upstairs in a building in the only location where the Presidential convoy is required to slow down driving through Dallas?
This guy is Pro-Communist or Anti-Communist?
He goes to the Russian Embassy (esponiage operations headquarters) in Mexico City for what reason?

 

[4011]

Two veteran motor officers. Ran to the grassy knoll! They heard other shots.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

If Oswald was used by (Mafia, Soviets, Castro, Bigfoot, etc...), why did he attempt to assassinate anti Communist Major General Edwin Walker with the same rifle seven months previous while Walker was at a window in his house, the bullet grazing his head? Oswald's wife told the Warren Commission all about this attempt because Oswald considered Walker an extremist. Looks like Oswald just wanted to kill someone important. And boy did he, all by himself.

 

[zzclancy]

Answer

i am watching the National Geographic show on the JKK assassination and I wondered about two items. How come Jack Ruby was in the parking garage on the day Lee Harvey Oswald was being transferred.

Secondly did long before did Lee Harvey Oswald get the job at the Book Depository before the route that JFK motorcade would take was announced??

I have a personal connection to this event, DR Kenneth Salyer, who saved my son's life in the 1980's, was a surgical resident at Parkland Hospital tried his best to save JFK's life.

Answer to the first question, a question. Why would you allow so many people to be present at a prisoner transfer? My answer, it was easier to kill him. My opinion there is plenty of evidence that Oswald was associated with the CIA. The history of the CIA is regime change. Oswald did not act alone. His part was to be the fall guy. CIA also had a history of working with the mob.

 

[The Big D]

Oh, my!

ALCOA stock is UP $1.11 share since yesterday.

No wonder why!

Be safe.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

Answer to the first question, a question. Why would you allow so many people to be present at a prisoner transfer? My answer, it was easier to kill him. My opinion there is plenty of evidence that Oswald was associated with the CIA. The history of the CIA is regime change. Oswald did not act alone. His part was to be the fall guy. CIA also had a history of working with the mob.

So, that means the CIA colluded with the Dallas police to set Oswald up knowing Jack Ruby would just happen to be getting a money order across the street and then show up to kill him at the exact right moment, even though that moment was delayed when they walked Oswald out later than planned. Do you REALLY think the Dallas police would conspire like that? If I was a cop I wouldn't walk a guy into a preplanned ambush knowing someone would start shooting, maybe hitting me, too.

 

[fdw]

Sadly, there's a lot we probably will never know regarding the whole Kennedy family. It certainly never was Camelot as portrayed....

 

[redlevel]

I visited the TBD. You can't go in the room where Oswald holed up,
but can go in the one right next to it. I personally know at least
50 kids from 12-15 years old who could make that shot.

Ockham's razor.

Here is a picture of my wife on the grassy knoll.
When we got back to the motel and looked at the
pictures, I had that "rabbit running over my grave"
chill when I saw that silhouette behind the fence.

 

[Absalom]

Answer to the first question, a question. Why would you allow so many people to be present at a prisoner transfer? My answer, it was easier to kill him.....

Nothing personal, not picking on you, but this is just a beautiful example how doubt and "questions" are created that aren't questions at all, but perfectly normal in the context of the time. For many why questions, the answer is simply why not.

Nowhere around that building did our concept of a contained and secure venue exist in the 1960s. This was the most interesting guy in the nation at the time, so everybody and his grandpa, and certainly the press, was milling about to try to get a look at him. The problem looks obvious only in hindsight.

There was no real concept of security, for anyone. It was perfectly ordinary for the president to ride in an open unprotected limousine. You might as well ask why did the sun shine so he could do that. AHA! Must have been CIA weather manipulation

 

[rwsmith]

There's a man with a gun!!!

I visited the TBD. You can't go in the room where Oswald holed up,
but can go in the one right next to it. I personally know at least
50 kids from 12-15 years old who could make that shot.

Ockham's razor.

Here is a picture of my wife on the grassy knoll.
When we got back to the motel and looked at the
pictures, I had that "rabbit running over my grave"
chill when I saw that silhouette behind the fence.

In a city with both large buildings and open areas gunshots are going to echo from all over. You don't hear this on the audio evidence, but I'll be people identified echos as directions of where the gunfire came from.

 

[robertrwalsh]

If I remember correctly Jack Ruby was something of a police freak and spent a lot of time hanging around there. His presence in the building would not have been unusual. His presence at that particular place and time when a high-profile prisoner was being transferred was a bit problematic (obviously). I am not a big-time conspiracy freak but there was sure a lot of odd stuff that came together at that point in time. I should point out that I am old enough I remember pretty well when this happened, I was 14 at the time.

 

[Wyatt Burp]

Nothing personal, not picking on you, but this is just a beautiful example how doubt and "questions" are created that aren't questions at all, but perfectly normal in the context of the time. For many why questions, the answer is simply why not.

Nowhere around that building did our concept of a contained and secure venue exist in the 1960s. This was the most interesting guy in the nation at the time, so everybody and his grandpa, and certainly the press, was milling about to try to get a look at him. The problem looks obvious only in hindsight.

There was no real concept of security, for anyone. It was perfectly ordinary for the president to ride in an open unprotected limousine. You might as well ask why did the sun shine so he could do that. AHA! Must have been CIA weather manipulation

The weather?! So, now you're blaming global warming for it, huh? Just kidding. Yours is the most sane post I read yet. Who else must have been in on it? Definitely the cop guarding the garage door that Ruby snuck by. Let's throw in that reporter who knew right when to take that famous picture. Hey, I was wondering. When they delayed Oswald's departure when he stopped to change his clothes, who called Ruby and told him to show up a couple minutes later? They didn't have cell phones and Ruby was getting that money order across the street.

 

[loknload]

I love these threads!

Read this book,,,,

It answered the question for me?

 

[jag312]

Three shots in 8 seconds? Or whatever time period. Think of it this way. Oswald was tracking his target through the scope. Time hadn't started yet. The first shot is at Time = 0. The next two shots are in the time period. Not that difficult.

My problem is who the Secret Service chose for the autopsy. Instead of assigning Forensic Pathologists for the autopsy, they chose three Clinical Pathologists. Two had never seen a bullet wound in their entire career, and one had treated some wounds during the Korean War. The lead Clinical Pathologist specialized in the analysis of urine. He had been jokingly referred to as a Pissologist. If they had to testify in court on a homicide case, they would never had survived the voir dire.

Why did Secret Service choose three such unqualified Clinical Pathologists instead of qualified Forensic Pathologists? Ulterior motive or just plain stupidity?

 

[peyton]

Thanks for all the responses. It seems we will never have conclusive answers accepted by all. I chalk it up to a series of random decisions that were perhaps logical at the moment, that in hindsight make no sense now.
More importantly did our government learn from it? How was it that John Hinckley know that President Reagan was going to come out that door at that particular time??

 

[Tom K]

I've read a number of books on the topic and the one that makes the most sense is "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Capsule summary, Oswald acted alone. The conspiracy theorization is debunked.

I love these threads!
Read this book,,,,

It answered the question for me?

I was just about to mention this book. It is the only plausible alternate explanation to Oswald acting alone that I have read. Capsule summary is that it proposes that a Secret Service agent in the car behind Kennedy's, startled by Owsald's shots, accidentally fired a round from his then-new AR-15 that hit Kennedy in the head (explaining the bullet fragmentation and head wound). Oswald still acted alone, but random chance made the kill shot.

Some people just can't stand the idea that such a huge, pivotal event could be precipitated by a lone nut case. Frankly, one man, acting completely alone, seems the most likely route for success in an assassination attempt. Without anyone else having knowledge (no conspiracy) there is much less likelihood of the plot becoming known beforehand.

 

[rockquarry]

It's important to note that there has never been evidence (the real thing, not crackpot theory that some mistakenly refer to as evidence) that supports conclusions other than that which was included in the offficial investigation.

The basement of 106 South Harwood St. has an entrance on Main St. and an exit on Commerce St. It was like that in 1963 and it remained like that up until the Police Department moved ten or fifteen years ago. Security was never really tight and there was easy access for both police officers and the public.

One officer, Roy Vaughn was assigned to guard this entrance on November 24, 1963 when Ruby entered. Ruby was known to many, but the guarding assignment was likely a hectic one on that day. Vaughn probably had his hands full. It would have been impossible for one man to control the entrance with 100% efficiency.

This is all from memory, but I believe it to be reasonably accurate... As for the shooting re-creation at the School Book Depository, I think this was (easily) done by Dallas PD pistol range personnel about 1978. The distance was much shorter than many realize, probably around sixty yards or so.

There's really nothing worth arguing here, but the conspiracy people have little interest in facts and never have. That won't change.

 

[Bajadoc]

The aptly titled "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi puts all of the conspiracy nonsense to rest. It is a very comprehensive rational look at the entire case from top to bottom. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.