JUAREZ, MEXICO

One thing I have never understood is that in Texas, El Paso is reported to have one of the lowest crime rates of any large city in the state ?

Is that really true ? Or do they cook the books ?
 
El Paso has a low reported crime rate probably because like Las Vegas, NV it is intentionally reported low for business purposes. That's just my opinion.

The main factor is that there is a tremendous law enforcement presence due to the drugs and the border. There is the local police, sheriff's office, FBI, ATFE, Treasury, Border Patrol, ICE, Homeland Security, US Marshals, Texas Rangers and US Customs and Border Protection.

El Paso is a wannabe sanctuary city and although they don't claim such since the Texas Gov passed laws against this, they conduct local law enforcement as if they were.

As far as Juarez being off limits to the military, I don't know. There is not the incentive for the military to cross the border like there was in the 60's and before. Today the enlisted pay is a lot higher for one , the border is more difficult to cross back and forth, and there isn't the attraction there was back then.
 
Old_Cop said:
I wonder has the military declared Juarez off limits to soldiers?
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I don't know about Juarez, but I was born and raised in San Diego, and Tijuana was off limits to military personnel way back in the '50s and '60s, so I imagine Juarez is, too. Of course, that didn't stop San Diego's sailors and Marines in search of friendly female companionship from visiting T.J. Certain popular nightclubs down there, like the notorious Blue Fox, were filled with military guys in civvies and San Diego college students. That was Tijuana's reputation, anyway. Not that I would know about this from personal experience.:rolleyes:
 
I was in Juarez a few times in the 90's for business; went to a neighborhood BBQ put on by the plant manager, had a wonderful time. We weren't sure of how to get back to El Paso; the host gave us directions & was emphatic at one point not to make a wrong turn. We asked what was down the wrong dead-end road. His answer "The Police station"; apparently that was the "safe-zone" for the drug dealers!
 
SuperMan said:
I've been reading this blog for a long time...

Borderland Beat: 2018

..sickening what is going on down there....

Bob
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WOW! If I were a Mexican citizen wanting a decent life for my family I would be looking to the north. How long can a situation like this continue before it becomes open warfare (right next door to us)?

I don't claim to have any answers, only questions.
 
OLDNAVYMCPO said:
El Paso has a low reported crime rate probably because like Las Vegas, NV it is intentionally reported low for business purposes. That's just my opinion.
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The crime stats are there, it's just how they are reported. The Strip isn't even in Las Vegas, it's in Clark County. Then there is North Las Vegas and Henderson, making a total of four jurisdictions. Subtle, isn't it.;)
 
djt17 said:
I was in Juarez a few times in the 90's for business; went to a neighborhood BBQ put on by the plant manager, had a wonderful time. We weren't sure of how to get back to El Paso; the host gave us directions & was emphatic at one point not to make a wrong turn. We asked what was down the wrong dead-end road. His answer "The Police station"; apparently that was the "safe-zone" for the drug dealers!
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If I recall correctly, about 30 years ago there was a 60 Minutes episode where they found a large percentage of the POVs in the Juarez PD parking lot had been stolen from the US. And they weren't just being driven by rank and file.
 
I always wondered why almost every residence and building in Mexico had bars on the doors and windows and usually a wrought iron gate around the tiny yard. It's really ugly. Then...I noticed a few...but not all houses in border areas of Texas have bars sometimes. This may seem like a dumb question, but why is this?
We don't have many walled compounds and barred in windows here in the MidWest. What's the difference between here and there?
 
500SNW said:
I always wondered why almost every residence and building in Mexico had bars on the doors and windows and usually a wrought iron gate around the tiny yard. It's really ugly. Then...I noticed a few...but not all houses in border areas of Texas have bars sometimes. This may seem like a dumb question, but why is this?
We don't have many walled compounds and barred in windows here in the MidWest. What's the difference between here and there?
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All my windows and doors have bars and my front entrance is gated and locked. The arroyo across an empty lot in front is a pathway for illegal traffic. I have seen it patrolled by drone. At the end of the next arroyo to the North is a Goodwill box. I have often seen migrants digging thru the box for clothes so they will look less like migrants. It is fairly common to see illegals in the neighborhood, trucking along with their backpacks. Farm land along the Rio is a common destination and is located before Border Patrol check points. All the way to Hatch, NM
to the north and west past Las Cruces. How convenient.
 
OLDNAVYMCPO said:
El Paso has a low reported crime rate probably because like Las Vegas, NV it is intentionally reported low for business purposes. That's just my opinion.

The main factor is that there is a tremendous law enforcement presence due to the drugs and the border. There is the local police, sheriff's office, FBI, ATFE, Treasury, Border Patrol, ICE, Homeland Security, US Marshals, Texas Rangers and US Customs and Border Protection.

El Paso is a wannabe sanctuary city and although they don't claim such since the Texas Gov passed laws against this, they conduct local law enforcement as if they were.

As far as Juarez being off limits to the military, I don't know. There is not the incentive for the military to cross the border like there was in the 60's and before. Today the enlisted pay is a lot higher for one , the border is more difficult to cross back and forth, and there isn't the attraction there was back then.
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I know the military is a lot more, uh, enlightened now, but aren't there still the ladies of the evening south of the border? Or has that become too dangerous?

Tijuana in 1990 was my last visit to a border town. With my wife and two other couples, we men still got propositioned right out in the street.

I frankly felt a bit ashamed. Walking the streets back to the gate, there were the Mexicans begging right alongside American college students puking their guts out (or passed out).

I've had zero interest in going back.
 
For a people who are easily offended by the suggestion of a fence being built along the border...they sure don't have a problem with building their own barriers. In the US we have welcome mats...BUT look at these typical Mexican houses: Google Maps
 
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swsig said:
I don't know about Juarez, but I was born and raised in San Diego, and Tijuana was off limits to military personnel way back in the '50s and '60s, so I imagine Juarez is, too. Of course, that didn't stop San Diego's sailors and Marines in search of friendly female companionship from visiting T.J. Certain popular nightclubs down there, like the notorious Blue Fox, were filled with military guys in civvies and San Diego college students. That was Tijuana's reputation, anyway. Not that I would know about this from personal experience.:rolleyes:
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I was there back in 1990 and saw plenty of sailors and college students partying. The street back to the gate was lined with them sitting on the curb puking.

I don't recall which club it was, but we were searched by Mexican LEOs on entry and one confiscated my Buck Wrangler pocket knife. We decided not to stay, so when we came out, I approached the cop and demanded my knife back. He gave me a puzzled look, hesitated, then reached in to his pocket and handed it back.

When I turned around, the rest of my group were wide-eyed and holding their breath, thinking I was going to get us all arrested.

In retrospect, it may not have been one of my brighter moves.

I never thought about it much, but now wonder if my dad ever visited during his Navy days. I recently came across a picture of his boot camp graduation in San Diego, 1944.
 
Yeah, I've heard rumor that nowdays even a mere pocket knife can get you locked up in a Mexican prison for the serious charge of "carrying a deadly weapon." Doesn't make sense when you can drive down any country road and see guys carrying Machetes on their belts.
 
500SNW said:
Yeah, I've heard rumor that nowdays even a mere pocket knife can get you locked up in a Mexican prison for the serious charge of "carrying a deadly weapon." Doesn't make sense when you can drive down any country road and see guys carrying Machetes on their belts.
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Another example of how much times have changed. I flew there & back with it in my pocket:eek:

I will say this about the crime and corruption in Mexico: America's demand for drugs is what finances much of it.

Let's see, I'm an underpaid civil servant or cop faced with taking money that ultimately came from a bunch of folks in another country that are way wealthier than me, or die?

I'll take door #1.
 
My brother married a Mexican, and she wants to visit her mother in Juarez. I worry every time they go down there.

And my brother is very naive and careless when dealing with certain people. He seems to think that bad things only happen to people on the news...

I'd like to visit the anthropological museums in Mexico City, but the smog would kill me if the thugs or crooked cops didn't.

I'm staying north of the border. And given Canada's views of guns and individual rights in general, I'm staying south of the other border.

Studying other countries will make you appreciate what we have here.
 
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